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DENVER HERREN: All right.
Good afternoon, everybody.

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I'm going to wait just
a second as guests

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log in and then
we'll get started.

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My name is Denver Herren.

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I am the Diplomat
in Residence for

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the Rocky Mountain region.

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Today, this panel will be
specifically about the

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management career track
and it's an opportunity to

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hear from three Management
Officers at different

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stages in their careers.

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And they can kind of give
you the personalized view

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of what it is to be a
Management Officer.

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Just to hit on the high
points as much as I can.

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Management is kind
of the internal

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operations of the mission.

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Its goal is to ensure
that we have a stable and

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quality platform from
which all of our diplomacy

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can work and it oversees
a vast operation that

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includes human resources,
budget and financing,

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IT and infrastructure,
shipping and receiving,

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motor pool
operations, medical,

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budget and finance.

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What am I forgetting?

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Katelyn, could
you jump in?

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KATELYN CHOE: I think
you got them all, Denver.

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MR. HERREN: Okay.

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So with that, I'm going
to ask that each one

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of our panel members
introduce themselves.

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And give you a sense
of who they are and

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then we'll move along
with the process.

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We'll start with our
Senior Management Officer,

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Katelyn Choe.

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MS. CHOE: Hi, everybody.

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There are 295 of
you and growing.

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This is amazing.

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Thank you so much
for making the time

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to join us and for your
interest in serving

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our country as a
Management Officer,

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a potential
Management Officer.

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I've been with Department
of State now for 23 years.

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And I'm currently serving
as a Diplomat in Residence

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for Southern California,
Hawaii, Guam,

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American Samoa, and the
Northern Mariana Islands.

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In fact, I'm joining
you today in Guam

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where I'm doing some
in-person engagements.

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And I'd love to share with
you about my experience

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serving as I've been a
finance budget officer,

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I've been a General
Services Officer doing

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contracting work in real
estate, motor pool,

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other things that
Denver had mentioned.

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I've done also some
policy work as well.

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And so, I'd like to also
just talk to you a little

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bit about how why
management work is so

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incredibly important in
us being able to not just

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implement our policies,
but the role that you have

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and the absolute necessity
for Management Officer to

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be represented, to have
a seat at the table

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as it relates to
our policy goals.

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And then I also am a
mother and have a spouse

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who's been able to manage
his career doing his thing

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and traveling, and we've got
two kids and too many dogs.

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I wish I could have more.

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And so, I'd like to also
talk a little bit about

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sort of the personal
life and the quality

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of life balancing
both work and life.

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And I'll end it there
and hand it over

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back to you, Denver.

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MR. HERREN: Well,
thank you.

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As I'm watching the
number of attendees grow,

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one of the
things I need to,

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to highlight for you
is we have a Q&A

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function within this webinar.

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But to the
extent possible,

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if you have questions
that are specific to you,

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reach out to your DIRs
and we'll provide

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a link to that.

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But the key thing to
remember here is the Q&A

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should primarily be for
questions that would be

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of interest to everyone in
the group and try to look

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and see if the question's
been asked and use it

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as much as you can,
because we will not be

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able to reach every
question if everybody

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that gets on this list
decides to ask one.

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So, by all means, if
you have questions,

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the DIRs are more than
willing to answer

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them at a later date.

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That's what we're here
for and we actually enjoy

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hearing from everybody.

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With that, I'm going to
slip down and our next

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panelist is Clay Allen.

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He's currently the
Management Officer in

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Port-au-Prince, Haiti.

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Clay, could you introduce
yourself and tell us

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a little bit about you?

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CLAY ALLEN: Sure.

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As Denver said, my
name is Clay Allen.

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I've been in the Foreign
Service for 15 years

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and have had a wide, wide
variety of assignments

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from Asia to Europe, to
the Western Hemisphere,

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to the Middle East.

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So, I’ve gotten
to see a pretty good

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portion of the world.

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Currently assigned in
Port-au-Prince, Haiti

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which is an absolutely
fascinating

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assignment as, as this
country continues to

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spiral in a downward,
downward direction

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in terms of being able
to stay together.

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As we go on, I'll be more
than happy to talk about

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how Management Officers
are directly allowing,

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especially in Haiti,
the ability for the

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senior officials in the
Department to carry out

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policy decisions and able
to keep our embassy open

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there and without it
being open we can't

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accomplish any things
that we need to do.

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So that's certainly
an interesting thing,

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I'm married with
four children.

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All of my children
have graduated from

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high schools overseas
and they have all

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absolutely enjoyed the
Foreign Service life and,

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and have thanked me
multiple times for being

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a Foreign Service Officer.

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So that part's
especially good as well.

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And so, I'll
leave it there.

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MR. HERREN: Okay,
thank you, Clay.

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And then our other, our
final panel member,

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Hannah, could you
jump in and tell us a

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little bit about yourself?

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HANNAH SIN: Sure.
Thank you, Denver.

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Hello, everyone.

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My name is Hannah
and I am stationed

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here in Washington, DC.

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I have been in the
Foreign Service for

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nine years and it's
gone by very fast.

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I started out my career
actually nonprofit and

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then I went to grad school
and then I went into the

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private sector and then I
worked for the U.S. Department

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of Labor and then I joined
the Foreign Service as a

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career change, but had
always thought of it.

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And then, so just by by way
of background in terms of

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the tours I've completed.

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My first tour was in
Guadalajara, Mexico

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and then Beijing, China,

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and then Seoul, South Korea.

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Actually where Katelyn
and I both worked and had,

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I had the pleasure
of working with her.

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And then right now, I
am the, one of the desk

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officers on the Burma
desk in Washington, DC,

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so having more of
a policy focus.

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My three other tours I did
General Services Officer,

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staff assistant to the
ambassador in Beijing

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at the U.S. embassy
in Beijing and

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also consular officer.

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And as a generalist,
management coned

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generalist, you have a lot
of options in terms of

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the opportunities you have
and it just is really

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phenomenal in terms
of variety and I,

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I'm happy to answer
any questions about

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switching between different
cones and having

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that kind of experience.

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So, I will leave
it at that.

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Thank you, Denver.

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MR. HERREN: Thank you,
that was nice

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introductions
from everyone.

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If I could circle back, I
think it'd be helpful

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for the panelists to, if
each of you could tell us

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where you've served
sequentially so that

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we have a sense of
where you've been.

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Katelyn, could you start?

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MS. CHOE: Sure,
I started my tour

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in Seoul, South Korea.

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In fact, that was the
very same embassy where

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my parents and I had
gone to get our immigrant

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visa when I was nine.

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And so, to come back to
the very same embassy,

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but then standing on the
other side of the window

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was just a tremendous
privilege and,

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and humbling experience
and it's a sort of a

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leadership and management
principle that I hoped,

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I hope that I've been
able to carry forth

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from that first tour.

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Just knowing well that
from this in my role

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as a, as a manager or
as a diplomat,

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knowing well the, the
nervousness and anxiety

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that the applicants may
have felt and really

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instilling upon from folks
like the security guards

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to the admin staff, the
local staff who would

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receive those paper
applications, just,

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you know, compelling them
to understand that they

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too are diplomats, they
too were the ambassadors

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and they too are the
ones that the applicants

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and the locals have
first come into contact

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in experiencing
America, right?

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And for the adjudicators,
understanding that they

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may be that person
standing in front

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of you may be the 90th
person that you've

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interviewed for that day,
but for that applicant

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that's his or her
first, right?

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And so, just it's,
it's been a tremendous

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privilege and as a
facilitator, translator,

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as a connector and there
after that I served in the

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Netherlands and then as
and I went back to DC

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to work in what we call
an operation center.

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It's a 24-hour sort
of an emergency room

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equivalent of a hospital
where all the crisis

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come in and it's shift work.

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And then after that, I
went into working in

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HR field as a career
development officer

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for all of our entry
level officers.

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And then after that, I
received a fellowship

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sabbatical to be able
to take a year off

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doing a project that
was of interest

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to the Foreign Service.

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And one of my topics that
I chose to do was about

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all the unaccompanied
tours that our

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officers are expected
to do voluntarily.

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Not assigned, not, not
directed unlike the

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military, but the, the
consequences of civilians

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going into some of the war
zones and what kind of

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support is needed before,
during, and after and not

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just for the officers,
but the families

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that are left behind.

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And as a result of that
year long fellowship just

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putting into place, into
our organization some of

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the support systems and
checks that were hopefully

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sustaining and being able
to really advocate for

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the folks who are serving
and raising their hands

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to serve in some of
our hard places.

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And then after that I
was, I went to Nepal.

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Let's see.

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I don't want to remember.

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Oh, I'm sorry, I
skipped one big one.

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I served in Afghanistan
unaccompanied for a year

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to see whether those
programs that I had

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proposed is going to
just to use myself as

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a guinea pig to make
sure that there was,

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were working or
will be working.

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And then after that I
served in Nepal and

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then in Korea, back
to Korea again,

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and then New Zealand.

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Yeah, which was an amazing
experience serving as

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our Consul General,
Principal Officer,

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heading up the consulate
there and then got to go

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back to Korea and work
with Hannah and some

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amazing work with our
military colleagues.

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And I can share a little
bit about sort of the

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interagency process
that we get to do and

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then finally now is a
Diplomat in Residence.

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Sorry it was so long,
but every tour has been,

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I've learned a
lot and it was,

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it's been an
incredible journey.

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Thank you.

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MR. HERREN: So.

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So, Katelyn, did you
also have assignment

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with the Olympics?

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MR. CHOE: Yeah.

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Let me touch upon that
a little bit because

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it is really unique to
the Foreign Service.

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We do have a job called
the Olympics Coordinator,

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so summer and
winter and why?

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Well because of Team USA
and all the Americans

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would be traveling to
that country and all the,

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so there's a consular
aspect of it.

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And then there's the
U.S. corporations,

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Coca-Cola and Visa.

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So, there's the economic
interest, all the

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U.S. corporate sponsors
and other U.S.

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companies that were
trying to leverage

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sports diplomacy to
enter the market.

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And then we also have the
political coned officers

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who are vested in that.

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Because for me, when I
was a Winter Olympics

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Coordinator in Seoul in
Pyeongchang in 2018.

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This was the last
Olympics before COVID.

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North Korea and all the
different issues that we

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had to sort of watch for,
wondering whether

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the Winter Olympics was
going to happen at all

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because of some of the
provocative issues that

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were coming out of
North Korea and then

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the management, our cone
basically really the,

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the support, the platform
to be able to have all of

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our, of our staff including
the Public Diplomacy which

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I haven't mentioned all
the people to people

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ties related to
sports diplomacy.

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And I just want to touch
on that sports diplomacy

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and the Public Diplomacy
and have the marriage of

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the Public Diplomacy
and management as an

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example before I pass
it on to the other.

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So, I don't feel like
I'm hogging this,

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but it's a story
that I often tell.

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In my outreach as a
Diplomat in Residence,

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of one example of
where I felt like

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I've made a,
a direct impact.

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So as a Management
Officer,

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as a Winter Olympics
Coordinator,

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I was looking at all the
ways that we could try to

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partner not just support
the visit of high level

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visitors, but support the
the Team USA and Team

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Paralympics and in
particular with Team USA

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Paralympics Team, many
of whom are post 911

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vets and please
feel free to put a

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thumbs up for those of
you who are veterans.

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Thank you for
your service.

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Many, many of whom are
Paralympics members

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of Paralympics Team as
a result of injuries

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that they've incurred.

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Wow, lots of thumbs
up for our veterans.

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That's amazing.

00:14:11.350 --> 00:14:12.451 align:center line:85% position:50% size:25%
Thank you.

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Who are now representing
our country in a

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different capacity, right?

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And in the eyes
of the Koreans,

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a very homogeneous, a very
conservative society,

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they were seen as heroes,
very charismatic leaders.

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And so, I was able
to partner with our

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Public Diplomacy team and
reached out to Team USA

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Paralympics to say,
hey, would you like

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to be involved in some
of our policy changes

00:14:36.675 --> 00:14:37.810 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
that we've been
advocating for

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accessibility and inclusion?

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And so, we brought
the influencers,

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the lawmakers,
the NGOs group,

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and we invited them over
to some of the events.

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We had some of the Paralympic
Teams go out and speak

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to schools and those
influencers and took

00:14:51.590 --> 00:14:54.627 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
to the Congress
equivalent of Korea.

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And now as a result, when
you go to Korea now,

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the public museums, the
libraries, the schools,

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you'll see those ramps.

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That couldn't have
happened or it may have

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happened possibly, but the
way that we went about

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advocating for those
rights was through

00:15:10.776 --> 00:15:13.812 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
storytelling and through
sports diplomacy

00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.882 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
and if it was me
Katelyn Choe calling up,

00:15:16.949 --> 00:15:19.318 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
you know, Team
Paralympics, Team USA,

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hey I have this
great idea.

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Would you like to
partner with us?

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One, that would never have
happened, but to have the

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platform of U.S. America
to say on behalf of the

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United States of America
would you partner

00:15:31.063 --> 00:15:33.032 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
with us on this
important issue?

00:15:33.098 --> 00:15:35.901 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
You just have that big
platform to be able to

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make a long sustainable,
and a larger impact

00:15:39.571 --> 00:15:41.473 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
across the country
to be able to

00:15:41.540 --> 00:15:42.708 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
make that kind
of an impact.

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So that's just one
example that I just

00:15:45.010 --> 00:15:45.944 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
want to share with you.

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If you want to represent
something bigger than

00:15:47.579 --> 00:15:50.582 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
yourself to be able to use
a management platform,

00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:53.018 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
to be able to make
a policy change,

00:15:53.085 --> 00:15:56.155 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you're in the right role,
you're in the right job.

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Thank you, Denver.

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MR. HERREN: Thank you.

00:15:59.191 --> 00:16:00.893 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
I appreciate that.

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Clay, I've got a question
that's popped up on,

00:16:03.429 --> 00:16:06.699 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
on the Q&As below that I'm
going to throw at you.

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How do bids work for
management officers when

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some of the jobs are
covered by specialists?

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MR. ALLEN: That's
a great question.

00:16:16.342 --> 00:16:19.645 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
The reality of it is,
is that managements

00:16:19.712 --> 00:16:21.947 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
Management Officers
can still bid on those

00:16:22.014 --> 00:16:25.351 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
positions and compete
alongside the specialists.

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The, I think that
the one that's most,

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most often management
officers are,

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are sitting in those
roles along with the

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specialists, is,
is HR positions.

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I think that that's a,
a great opportunity and

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so you know whether
you're a specialist,

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whether you're a
generalist those,

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those positions
are available to,

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to bid on and as long as
you're competitive and

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you have good interviews
you know you,

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you can absolutely sit and
do those jobs as well.

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MR. HERREN: Okay, so
go ahead and give me a

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little bit of feedback
on where it is you

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served, just so people
get a sense of that.

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MR. ALLEN: My first
tour was in Manila

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in the Philippines.

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That's where I did
my consular tour.

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Fantastic time.

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I absolutely enjoyed
the, the consular

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experience I did for
nonimmigrant visas.

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I did 23,000
interviews in,

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in one year and you
really get to understand

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who it is that you're,
you're speaking to

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and what sounds normal
and what doesn't.

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So, it was I thought that
was fascinating as well.

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In, after the Philippines,
I went to Singapore where

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I did a political-military
affairs position and

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I will tell you that was one
of the most consequential

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positions for me because
it really taught me how

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to write the in the
State Department style

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and be able to communicate.

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Because in the, in the,
in the Foreign Service,

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communication is key,
and you have to be able

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to write in such a way
that it's going to

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be understood and accepted.

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And so, I also had the,
the fantastic opportunity

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there of developing
contacts that the

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Department was extremely
interested in.

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In fact, I think eight
of my cables went to the

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presidential daily brief
about the South China Sea

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as a second tour officer.

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I mean, it was just, you know,
blown away with that.

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So, it was a lot
of fun there.

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After that, I went to Kabul
as a Management Officer.

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And I served for a time
down in Helmand province

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as the Management Officer
filling in and for a gap

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there and then went on
to work with the foreign

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excess property, dealing
with all of the property

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all across the country
that, that we were using

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and then no longer needed
and trying to figure out a

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way to dispose of that
and sell it and so forth.

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Then I went to Brussels
where I served as GSO

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along with Denver, and
then after Brussels,

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Mumbai, India where as a
management officer

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fantastic again experience
and you really,

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in a country like India,
you really learn how

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incredibly important it is
to be able to figure out

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how to deal with host
country and understanding

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their processes and
procedures and,

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and their bureaucracy.

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And so learned
a lot there.

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After that, I went to the
operation center where

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I served as the as a
senior watch officer.

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And again, as already
explained, the watch,

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the watch is a great tour.

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You get to learn a lot.

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You get to see how the
sausage is made at a

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senior level and what our
senior officials are doing.

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And then after that, I
went to where I'm at now,

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which is Haiti in
Port-au-Prince.

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MR. HERREN: Excellent, Clay,
are you also a veteran?

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MR. ALLEN: I am, yes.

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I served about eight
years in the Air Force

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as a linguist in
Arabic and Tagalog.

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MR. HERREN: Great.

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Thank you.

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I've got a couple
questions here and

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then I'm going to
jump into Hannah,

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but or Hannah, I apologize.

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So, people asked like
again I said about the,

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the specialist jobs and then
the Management Officers.

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Now, as a Senior
Management Officer,

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from time to time I've had
to make the decision as to

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do I take a specialist or
do I take a generalist

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and, and it really boils
down to the skills

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and abilities of
the individuals.

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There are times when I
feel like I absolutely

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need someone who is
specialized and focused

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their entire career on one
topic and there's other

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times when I need
people who have the

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broader view that
comes with being a

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Management Officer, generalist.

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So, they're very
competitive and it,

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it really will be
dependent upon

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the situation that
you're walking into,

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what we're looking for.

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Another question that
that comes up

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is can a management
specialist change to a

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Management Officer?

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And yes, that can happen.

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We see that from
time to time.

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People, once they get into
the Foreign Service,

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they decide maybe
they need to find a

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different route and we
make that possible.

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So, with that Hannah,
could you give us a little

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bit more you, you actually
covered most of your

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posts when you, you
spoke to us before,

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but, kind of go over
them again and give

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us a sense of your
take on bidding.

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MS. SIN: Sure. Yeah.

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And I did want to clarify,
I think I might have

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confused people by
saying, you know,

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switching between
cones and I guess what

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I meant was more not so
much switching cones,

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your designation
as a generalist.

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Because once you enter in
the Foreign Service as a

00:21:45.771 --> 00:21:47.339 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
generalist, you have to
pick a cone and you

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really need to develop the
skill set for that cone.

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But as a generalist, you
can switch between jobs

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that fall under these
different cones,

00:21:57.015 --> 00:21:59.651 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
but really your core
skill set needs to

00:21:59.718 --> 00:22:00.686 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
be whatever cone you are.

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So, for management, so
I, my first tour was

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a consular tour,
which is, you know,

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sort of mandatory
for most generalists.

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And then I went on and
I did General Services

00:22:15.467 --> 00:22:18.970 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
Office work in Beijing
and staff assistant and

00:22:19.037 --> 00:22:21.907 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
consular work again
and then General

00:22:21.973 --> 00:22:23.675 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
Services Officer in Seoul.

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And so, and I think a
lot of the people in the

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audience understand that
there are, for instance

00:22:32.184 --> 00:22:34.619 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
like General Service
Officer is both can

00:22:34.686 --> 00:22:37.556 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
be either a specialist
or a generalist

00:22:37.622 --> 00:22:39.491 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
that fills that role.

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And as Denver mentioned,
you know who the person

00:22:43.729 --> 00:22:46.098 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
who is chosen for that
role really depends on

00:22:46.164 --> 00:22:49.568 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
the needs of the post
and the decision makers.

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I think there are a lot
of similarities between,

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I mean in the end, we're
all officers and we're all

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on one team and you know,
we're all there to

00:23:00.445 --> 00:23:04.249 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
pitch in and do whatever
needs to get done.

00:23:04.316 --> 00:23:07.252 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
But I would say as a as
a generalist for someone

00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:10.322 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
like me, where I just
switched careers

00:23:10.388 --> 00:23:12.891 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
so many times, you know?

00:23:12.958 --> 00:23:17.429 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I love to just
change my experience,

00:23:17.496 --> 00:23:21.900 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
change like what I'm doing
and rather than look

00:23:21.967 --> 00:23:23.502 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
for a new job, basically
I can just do

00:23:23.568 --> 00:23:24.770 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
that with every tour.

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So, I don't look
as undisciplined

00:23:29.007 --> 00:23:32.677 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I guess as if I were in
the in the outside world

00:23:32.744 --> 00:23:34.246 align:center line:85% position:50% size:70%
switching jobs all the time.

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But literally, you can
have completely different

00:23:37.682 --> 00:23:40.585 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
positions even within the
management field as a

00:23:40.652 --> 00:23:41.987 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
Foreign Service Officer.

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So, to me that was, that
was really appealing,

00:23:44.956 --> 00:23:51.263 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
and I love the fact that
I could marry my passion

00:23:51.329 --> 00:23:54.900 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
for public service with
travel and with language.

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And I'm also, I'm married,
and I just recently

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had a child and the,
you know, the benefits

00:24:02.607 --> 00:24:03.775 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
and the challenges
of being in the

00:24:03.842 --> 00:24:07.512 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
Foreign Service
are very unique.

00:24:07.579 --> 00:24:11.249 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
But I would say I wouldn't
have it any other way.

00:24:11.316 --> 00:24:14.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
It's just such
an incredible

00:24:14.152 --> 00:24:15.921 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
experience to represent
the United States

00:24:15.987 --> 00:24:18.190 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
and as a daughter
of immigrants,

00:24:18.256 --> 00:24:20.759 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
you know, to say
that I am American,

00:24:20.826 --> 00:24:23.195 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
I represent the U.S.
just as much as

00:24:23.261 --> 00:24:25.363 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
you know any other
American is a really

00:24:25.430 --> 00:24:30.202 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
powerful message to
those outside of the

00:24:30.268 --> 00:24:32.838 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
United States, but also
within the United States.

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You know, I'm just, I'm,
I'm really proud of that

00:24:35.273 --> 00:24:39.110 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
and I'm really proud to be
in a corps of professionals

00:24:39.177 --> 00:24:41.580 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
that truly believe that.

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And, and also working with
our interagency partners,

00:24:45.283 --> 00:24:49.054 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know Department of
Defense and so many other

00:24:49.120 --> 00:24:52.791 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
overseas partners,
USAID and and having

00:24:52.858 --> 00:24:57.062 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
that sort of one mission,
one team approach.

00:24:57.128 --> 00:24:59.331 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
So, I'll leave it at that.

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MR. HERREN: Okay,
thank you.

00:25:00.966 --> 00:25:05.303 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
So, there's, there's some
questions that in the chat

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that are getting fairly
specific to individuals

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and as I stated before,
it's best if you

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reach out to your DIRs
directly for those.

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We're just not going to be
able to answer all those

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and to that same, in fact
I won't be able to take

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questions if people
raise their hands.

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So, please keep
that in mind as

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you're processing through this.

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At this stage,
I think the

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next thing that I really

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wanted to touch base on
is to ask each of the

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panelists, you know, what
got them interested in

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the Foreign Service
in the first place.

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Katelyn?

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MS. CHOE: I would
describe myself as

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an accidental diplomat.

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I mean I didn't know
that, I knew that we had

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diplomats just as I knew
that we had people working

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at the UN, but because
of sort of my sort

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of the more humbler
socioeconomic background,

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lack of exposure,

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I just couldn't
really imagine that

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career path for myself.

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And so, it really wasn't
until I learned about the

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Pickering Fellowship, and
I'll ask my colleagues

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monitoring the chat
to put that in there.

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It was a way for me
to quite honestly,

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be able to have my
advanced degree graduate

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school paid for by
the State Department.

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It’s up to $46,000
I believe per year.

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So, you'd better believe I
picked the most expensive

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schools, graduate schools
to apply to and in exchange

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I committed to coming
into the Foreign Service

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for five years and that
was a program that

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started over 20, 25 years
ago and now and it's still

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in, it's still very, it's
still very much alive and

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doing and, and it's one of
the recruitment tools we

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had with the mission that
with that opportunity,

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we want to make Foreign
Service more equitable

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or provide an equitable
access of resources

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and opportunities for
people who might not

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imagine that path
for themselves.

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And we're not just talking
about cosmetic diversity

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in terms of gender
or ethnicity,

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but it could be a
regional representation.

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It could be different
career paths that

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you may have taken, right?

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We have such complex
problems that we that

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we're trying to solve that
if we have the same type

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of people coming in
from the same pool

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of applicants, you
know whether it's a

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regional New England or
Harvards and Yales,

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we can only get to
the same answer.

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And so, really we're
looking for folks who

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can bring in their
whole selves right

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with life experiences,
different, even

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different educational
background or specialty.

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I was a chemistry major.

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How does that relate right
to the Foreign Service?

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And yet, I believe
that there are certain

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disciplines that help
you to think about or

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approach a problem
in a different way.

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MR. HERREN: Great.
Thank you.

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Clay?

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MR. ALLEN: I hadn't
even heard of the

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Foreign Service until I
was in the military and,

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and some of the folks that
were along with me at

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language school at the
Defense Language Institute

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started talking about that
this was their path to

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get language so that they
could be more competitive

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for the Foreign Service.

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So, didn't really think
much of it at that time.

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And then later on, when
I was stationed in

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Okinawa, Japan, several of
my, of my friends in my

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squadron, they went and
took the Foreign Service

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Officer Test and, and
unfortunately, none of

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them passed at that time.

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And so, I figured well,
you know, there's no,

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no possibility
that you're,

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they're all
smarter than I am.

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So, there's no possibility
I'm going to get in.

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But eventually, I kind
of swung back around and

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missed, you know, being
overseas after I'd gotten

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out of the military,
missed being overseas,

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missed, missed some
of those adventures

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that I was having.

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And decided that I would
give it a shot and

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of course took the test
and, and finally got in.

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But you know, I, I sit
every day stunned and

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amazed that, you know,
somebody from my

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humble background was
able to, you know,

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have the opportunity to
represent my country

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in this, in this manner.

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Growing up, you know, fairly,

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it was a fairly
austere childhood,

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and I joined the military
primarily to get

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my education because my
family just, you know,

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we just didn't have that
that kind of money.

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So, from, from
that perspective,

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I really am just stunned
and amazed that that

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I've gotten the opportunity
to come and do this and

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you know, as I've, as
I've had the opportunity

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to go around the world
and certainly teach my

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children and give them
exposure to the world,

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I think that's, that's
one big take away that

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you know, we have as a
family one we're very,

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very close as a family
because of our relation

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our experiences overseas.

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And I think that's one of
the things that my kids

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have learned is that they
can go anywhere and do

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anything because they've
you know, they've had that

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experience growing up
in, in this lifestyle.

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So, but yeah I'm, my
initial exposure was

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through my friends
in the military.

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MR. HERREN: All right.

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MS. CHOE: Hey Denver, can I
just jump in really quick

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to add on to what Clay
mentioned about the test

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because I get this a lot
from prospective you know,

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interested candidates.

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The test, I understand it
may seem very intimidating.

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It is a free test and it is
offered three times a year

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if you Google Foreign
Service Officers Test

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and my colleagues can put
into the chat if they've not

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done that already and you
can take it at a testing

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center or another option
is for you to be able

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to take it remotely
from where you are and

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they do a remote
monitoring, right?

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So, there are many many
options from the time

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that I took the test which
was at a testing center

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and when I took
the test also the,

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the, to be able to pass
the test to be called

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in for the oral exercise.

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It really was, it felt
very much like a GRE or

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SAT and all the trauma
that comes back from,

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you know, having
those, taking

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those standardized tests.

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But it's evolved now
whereby it's not just,

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you know, whether it's
a pass/fail based on

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your scores of the, the
written, the knowledge,

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substantive
knowledge test.

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But there's a qualifying
essay statement which

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really is able to
supplement, right?

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So, that you can represent
the qualifications

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and your interest as to
why you want to join.

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So, it really, it's a
bigger whole picture than

00:31:35.193 --> 00:31:37.462 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
just being able to really
take that multiple

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test, standardized tests.

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So don't let that
intimidate you.

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Thank you.

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MR. ALLEN: I would also
I would just add with that,

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that there are three
of us from my squadron

00:31:46.237 --> 00:31:48.039 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
in the Air Force
that are all active

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Foreign Service
Officers right now.

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So, so two of them went
back and took the test

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again and, and were able
to come in after that.

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MR. HERREN: Okay,
thank you, guys.

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I'm going to make
a clarification.

00:32:00.785 --> 00:32:03.321 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
You may hear us from time
to time use the term

00:32:03.388 --> 00:32:08.026 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
management cone
and career track.

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And right now, we use
the term career track

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more than cone.

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And that career tracks are
what most Foreign Service

00:32:14.966 --> 00:32:16.868 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Officers are
applying for now.

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So, if you hear somebody
say cone during the course

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of this event, they're
talking about the

00:32:21.406 --> 00:32:22.874 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
career track specifically.

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Okay, so now back
over to you, Hannah.

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What, what brought you
to the Foreign Service?

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MS. SIN: Thanks for
that clarification,

00:32:32.483 --> 00:32:34.052 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Denver because it's been
a while since I took the

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test and yes, there are
now tracks and not cones.

00:32:39.924 --> 00:32:43.061 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I joined actually I
went to the School of

00:32:43.127 --> 00:32:46.164 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Foreign Service, so
I felt like you know,

00:32:46.230 --> 00:32:49.167 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and some, at Georgetown, I
felt like oh, you know,

00:32:49.233 --> 00:32:52.637 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
this is we're all supposed
to take the test,

00:32:52.704 --> 00:32:56.341 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
but similar to Clay, all
the people I knew failed

00:32:56.407 --> 00:32:57.709 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
and I was like, I'm
not going to be

00:32:57.775 --> 00:32:59.444 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
able to pass that test.

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So, I never took it until
I was in my 30s and I was

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really looking for like
a passionate career.

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And I knew that traveling
was a way where I really

00:33:14.392 --> 00:33:17.295 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
felt present in
what I was doing.

00:33:17.362 --> 00:33:20.898 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
So, for me it was, it was
always sorted in the back

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of my mind, but I never,

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.869 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
you know, thought that
it was the right time

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in terms of living overseas.

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And then I came to a
point where I thought,

00:33:29.073 --> 00:33:30.608 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
I have nothing to lose.

00:33:30.675 --> 00:33:32.176 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
Why not just
take the test?

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Which I tell people who
are just thinking about

00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.949 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
it remotely, like you,
you don't lose anything

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by taking the test.

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And often times, people
have to take it multiple

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times in order to pass.

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So, you know, just see
it as an exercise of,

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you know, practice.

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And it's like any other
standardized test.

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It's just preparation.

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Because it's, it's
a nerve wracking

00:33:55.700 --> 00:33:57.301 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
process to go through this

00:33:57.368 --> 00:33:59.303 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
you know, extensive
like written test

00:33:59.370 --> 00:34:01.773 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
and the essays and
then the orals and,

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but you know, if you just
break it down you see it,

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you approach as a
standardized test.

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And I had a really good
friend actually who helped

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prep me for the oral.

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And that made a huge
difference because

00:34:16.754 --> 00:34:17.922 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
I get very nervous.

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I get performance
anxiety with test.

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And so, I knew I would
not perform my best

00:34:23.661 --> 00:34:24.896 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
unless I practiced.

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And that's just
me personally.

00:34:26.631 --> 00:34:27.899 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
That's not for everyone.

00:34:27.965 --> 00:34:29.934 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Not everyone needs to do
that or has to do that,

00:34:30.001 --> 00:34:34.939 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
but I just knew for myself
that was the case and,

00:34:35.006 --> 00:34:36.274 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
and I'm just so glad.

00:34:36.340 --> 00:34:37.275 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
I'm so grateful.

00:34:37.341 --> 00:34:40.244 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
I mean, you know, you having
joined the Foreign Service

00:34:40.311 --> 00:34:43.247 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
and seeing our
workforce and seeing

00:34:43.314 --> 00:34:45.783 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
the need for really
diverse talent,

00:34:45.850 --> 00:34:48.286 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
like I just would
encourage all of you who

00:34:48.352 --> 00:34:51.889 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
are interested to go for
it, to not be afraid,

00:34:51.956 --> 00:34:54.959 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
to not be timid, to
not be overwhelmed.

00:34:55.026 --> 00:34:58.129 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
Just see it as a, you
know, an exercise where

00:34:58.196 --> 00:35:00.331 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
you're just, you know,
doing something new

00:35:00.398 --> 00:35:01.999 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
because it is a
long process.

00:35:02.066 --> 00:35:06.737 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
It can take, you know,
several years sometimes

00:35:06.804 --> 00:35:09.040 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
both with the, the
testing process and

00:35:09.106 --> 00:35:10.074 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
the clearance process.

00:35:10.141 --> 00:35:14.078 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
So, it's a marathon
and you know,

00:35:14.145 --> 00:35:15.413 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
you just don't want
to put undue

00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.581 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
pressure on like you,

00:35:16.647 --> 00:35:19.217 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
you need to, you
need to pass,

00:35:19.283 --> 00:35:20.918 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
you need to have it
all done because

00:35:20.985 --> 00:35:24.255 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
it is a very long process.

00:35:24.322 --> 00:35:27.358 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
But the management track
is amazing because

00:35:27.425 --> 00:35:30.695 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
I really do think that
Management Officers,

00:35:30.761 --> 00:35:37.168 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
we enable people and
things to move around

00:35:37.235 --> 00:35:41.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the world and we solve
problems in ways that

00:35:41.672 --> 00:35:44.942 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
is different from officers
in other tracks and,

00:35:45.009 --> 00:35:47.945 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
and we're problem
solvers and doers.

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And for me, although I had
studied international

00:35:50.681 --> 00:35:56.554 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
politics in college, I
really wanted my career

00:35:56.621 --> 00:35:58.789 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
and really enjoyed
just doing things.

00:35:58.856 --> 00:36:01.325 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And one thing I wanted
to mention is that the

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management track, you're
really supervising

00:36:05.763 --> 00:36:09.133 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
large numbers of people
and often times

00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:10.535 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
Locally Employed Staff.

00:36:10.601 --> 00:36:13.604 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
And that's what I enjoy.

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One of the things I
enjoy most about being a

00:36:16.173 --> 00:36:19.410 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
management track officer
is really getting to

00:36:19.477 --> 00:36:23.214 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
know the host country
and the local culture,

00:36:23.281 --> 00:36:25.449 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
culture through the
Locally Employed Staff

00:36:25.516 --> 00:36:29.253 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and more so than many
of the other positions

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.156 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
like you are, working,
you know, whether

00:36:32.223 --> 00:36:34.892 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
it's motor pool or
property staff or if

00:36:34.959 --> 00:36:37.061 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
you're in GSO for
instance, or you know,

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financial management staff.

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So, you're really getting
a flavor of that loca`l

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country and that local
culture and building,

00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:47.204 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
you know, special
just you know,

00:36:47.271 --> 00:36:49.507 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
there's a bond in
working with your

00:36:49.574 --> 00:36:53.277 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
colleagues so closely
and really relying on

00:36:53.344 --> 00:36:57.048 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
them that, that I think
is, is phenomenal, so.

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MR. HERREN: Okay,
thank you.

00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:00.718 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
All right, I'm going
to change it up

00:37:00.785 --> 00:37:01.352 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
just a little bit.

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There's quite a few
questions in the

00:37:03.554 --> 00:37:05.456 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
chat about languages.

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Now, to make it clear
right off the bat.

00:37:08.526 --> 00:37:11.162 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And no one has to have
a foreign language

00:37:11.228 --> 00:37:13.664 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
into order to get into
the Foreign Service.

00:37:13.731 --> 00:37:16.901 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
As a matter of fact, when
you go through the initial

00:37:16.968 --> 00:37:20.605 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
testing and you submit
your personal narratives

00:37:20.671 --> 00:37:23.274 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and then go on to the next
Foreign Service Officer

00:37:23.341 --> 00:37:25.910 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
assessment portion,
languages are not

00:37:25.977 --> 00:37:28.846 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
even relevant to
the discussion.

00:37:28.913 --> 00:37:31.082 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
It's only at the point
that you've passed through

00:37:31.148 --> 00:37:34.585 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
all of the hurdles and
you get on the register,

00:37:34.652 --> 00:37:36.754 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
then your languages will
have an impact because

00:37:36.821 --> 00:37:39.890 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
they can bump you up a
little higher on the list.

00:37:39.957 --> 00:37:42.259 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
But with that, I'd
like to ask each of the

00:37:42.326 --> 00:37:45.930 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
candidates, you know what
languages they speak.

00:37:45.997 --> 00:37:48.566 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
Did they learn any of
them from State or did

00:37:48.633 --> 00:37:49.867 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
they have the certain,
the skills when

00:37:49.934 --> 00:37:51.335 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
they came on board?

00:37:51.402 --> 00:37:53.270 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
We'll start with Clay
to change it up and

00:37:53.337 --> 00:37:56.440 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
then go to Hannah
and then to Katelyn.

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MR. ALLEN: I speak
Arabic and Tagalog.

00:37:58.976 --> 00:38:01.245 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I have not been successful
in getting another

00:38:01.312 --> 00:38:03.547 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
language since I've been
in the Foreign Service.

00:38:03.614 --> 00:38:05.716 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I was supposed to get
French before coming

00:38:05.783 --> 00:38:12.723 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
to Haiti, but this,
the I think that the

00:38:12.790 --> 00:38:14.258 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
positions changed
around a little bit,

00:38:14.325 --> 00:38:16.227 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
so I had to come to post
a little earlier than,

00:38:16.293 --> 00:38:18.429 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
than I was expecting and
so it didn't give me

00:38:18.496 --> 00:38:19.563 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
an opportunity for French.

00:38:19.630 --> 00:38:22.500 align:center line:79% position:50% size:33%
But no, my my
language was,

00:38:22.566 --> 00:38:26.203 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know from Defense
Language Institute in the

00:38:26.270 --> 00:38:28.906 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
military and I will say
in terms of what Denver

00:38:28.973 --> 00:38:30.908 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
was talking about in
terms of coming in,

00:38:30.975 --> 00:38:35.913 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
to some degree it was a,
it's been a kind of a

00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.249 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
detriment of having the
language coming into the

00:38:38.315 --> 00:38:39.917 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
into the service
because I, you know,

00:38:39.984 --> 00:38:42.920 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
once I got off language
probation during

00:38:42.987 --> 00:38:46.657 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
A-100 I'm not really either

00:38:46.724 --> 00:38:49.894 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
had the opportunity
or been pushed into a

00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.397 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
language since then, so
it's a pro and a con.

00:38:55.633 --> 00:38:57.601 align:center line:85% position:50% size:78%
MR. HERREN: Okay. Thanks, Clay.

00:38:57.668 --> 00:38:59.804 align:center line:85% position:50% size:18%
Hannah.

00:39:01.172 --> 00:39:05.710 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
MS. SIN: Oh sure, I,
when I took the test,

00:39:05.776 --> 00:39:07.378 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
I didn't have any
language points.

00:39:07.445 --> 00:39:10.214 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I had sort of like what
I call kitchen Korean,

00:39:10.281 --> 00:39:15.052 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know, I can kind of
get by some basic Korean,

00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.155 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
but nothing really formal
and then some Spanish

00:39:18.222 --> 00:39:20.891 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I learned in college,
but I it's,

00:39:20.958 --> 00:39:22.259 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
it's not a requirement.

00:39:22.326 --> 00:39:26.630 align:center line:79% position:50% size:73%
But then when I joined, I did
get a top off in Spanish.

00:39:26.697 --> 00:39:31.869 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I was taught Mandarin for
my tour in China and then,

00:39:31.936 --> 00:39:36.607 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and then Korean, I just
actually for my position,

00:39:36.674 --> 00:39:40.411 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
not all management
positions are language

00:39:40.478 --> 00:39:43.581 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
designated, unlike maybe
some of the other tracks.

00:39:43.647 --> 00:39:45.916 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
So, it's not necessarily
a requirement.

00:39:45.983 --> 00:39:49.220 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
For mine, it was, but
it was at a low level,

00:39:49.286 --> 00:39:52.723 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
so I was able to, to
pass at a low level.

00:39:52.790 --> 00:39:57.261 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
But the Chinese was
eight months of language

00:39:57.328 --> 00:40:00.297 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
training for which I'm
really grateful because

00:40:00.364 --> 00:40:03.134 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
that was my full time
job was just learning

00:40:03.200 --> 00:40:06.370 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
Mandarin and was amazing.

00:40:06.437 --> 00:40:11.375 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
So, and, and if you like
languages it's definitely

00:40:11.442 --> 00:40:14.678 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
so many great opportunities
and if you know,

00:40:14.745 --> 00:40:19.884 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
you're like I'm not as well
versed in or multilingual,

00:40:19.950 --> 00:40:22.019 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
that's, that shouldn't
be a deterrent either.

00:40:24.688 --> 00:40:26.624 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
MR. HERREN: Okay great.
And Katelyn?

00:40:26.690 --> 00:40:28.292 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
MS. CHOE: Yeah, that's a
that's a great follow on

00:40:28.359 --> 00:40:29.927 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
because I suck
at languages.

00:40:29.994 --> 00:40:32.229 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I know this about myself
and I have avoided

00:40:32.296 --> 00:40:33.931 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
language training
like the plague.

00:40:33.998 --> 00:40:36.801 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I have not received any
language training from the

00:40:36.867 --> 00:40:38.903 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
State Department so I've
come in pretty cheap.

00:40:38.969 --> 00:40:44.074 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I came in with Korean, but
again the back to what

00:40:44.141 --> 00:40:46.210 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
Hannah had said, if you
are interested in learning

00:40:46.277 --> 00:40:49.113 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
languages, imagine for
some of the super hard

00:40:49.180 --> 00:40:51.982 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
languages like Korean,
Arabic, Chinese,

00:40:52.049 --> 00:40:54.718 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
you know, once you
are tenured and at

00:40:54.785 --> 00:40:56.320 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
mid-level and senior level.

00:40:56.387 --> 00:40:58.823 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Two years, up to
two years of just

00:40:58.889 --> 00:41:00.291 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
full time being a student.

00:41:00.357 --> 00:41:04.128 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And we have field school
in those languages

00:41:04.195 --> 00:41:08.299 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
for those languages
abroad as well as our,

00:41:08.365 --> 00:41:11.368 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
our institute based in
Virginia where all that

00:41:11.435 --> 00:41:14.371 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
you would be expected to
do is just, you know,

00:41:14.438 --> 00:41:17.408 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
get a full time, full,
full salary while

00:41:17.474 --> 00:41:18.442 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
learning your language.

00:41:18.509 --> 00:41:19.677 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
It's a pretty good deal.

00:41:19.743 --> 00:41:21.011 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
But somewhat
related to that,

00:41:21.078 --> 00:41:23.614 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
that institute that
I mentioned in

00:41:23.681 --> 00:41:25.783 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
Rosslyn, Virginia,
which is called the

00:41:25.850 --> 00:41:27.017 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
Foreign Service Institute.

00:41:27.084 --> 00:41:29.620 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
It's a beautiful
campus whereby not

00:41:29.687 --> 00:41:31.121 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
only do we have our
language institute,

00:41:31.188 --> 00:41:34.024 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
but functional
training as well.

00:41:34.091 --> 00:41:37.328 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And so, for those of you,
let's say who say, well I,

00:41:37.394 --> 00:41:39.396 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I have a little bit of
background in accounting.

00:41:39.463 --> 00:41:42.199 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
We will give you the full
training on appropriation

00:41:42.266 --> 00:41:46.670 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
law and all the different
policy related issues

00:41:46.737 --> 00:41:49.673 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
related to that, you
know that particular job

00:41:49.740 --> 00:41:52.743 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
whether it is in HR
or in finance or in

00:41:52.810 --> 00:41:55.446 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
General Services, we
have certain particular

00:41:55.512 --> 00:41:58.282 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
contracting rules and
regulations unique to

00:41:58.349 --> 00:41:59.516 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
the State Department.

00:41:59.583 --> 00:42:01.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So that's not something
that you already

00:42:01.151 --> 00:42:02.286 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
have to have acquired.

00:42:02.353 --> 00:42:04.555 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
That is something that we
would provide for you.

00:42:04.622 --> 00:42:07.925 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And so, back to Denver's
earlier point about

00:42:07.992 --> 00:42:09.894 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
language not being
a prerequisite,

00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.764 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the only requirement to
enter the Foreign Service

00:42:13.831 --> 00:42:14.665 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
as a generalist.

00:42:14.732 --> 00:42:16.767 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
Two things: you're a U.S.

00:42:16.834 --> 00:42:18.969 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
citizen and you have a
high school diploma.

00:42:19.970 --> 00:42:20.971 align:center line:85% position:50% size:25%
That's it.

00:42:23.741 --> 00:42:26.944 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
MR. HERREN: Yeah. And
that's fortunate for me

00:42:27.011 --> 00:42:29.780 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
because I'm not very good
at languages myself.

00:42:31.582 --> 00:42:34.785 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Oddly enough, I, and
once you get into the

00:42:34.852 --> 00:42:36.420 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Foreign Service, you
have to have at least

00:42:36.487 --> 00:42:38.956 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
one language at a,
at a certain level.

00:42:39.023 --> 00:42:41.959 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I got off of language
probation in

00:42:42.026 --> 00:42:43.627 align:center line:85% position:50% size:73%
Haitian Creole of all things.

00:42:43.694 --> 00:42:47.131 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
It's not really used
much place much other

00:42:47.197 --> 00:42:48.198 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
places than Port-au-Prince.

00:42:48.265 --> 00:42:53.671 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
So, it's unique way, the
system works out for you.

00:42:53.737 --> 00:42:57.408 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
If you are a linguist,
there are ample

00:42:57.474 --> 00:43:01.612 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
opportunities for you,
but you don't have to be.

00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.714 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
They, we're just looking
for people who are

00:43:03.781 --> 00:43:05.849 align:center line:85% position:50% size:73%
capable and willing to learn.

00:43:05.916 --> 00:43:08.419 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
Now, one of the things
that keeps popping

00:43:08.485 --> 00:43:10.521 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
up in the chats and
we want to kind of

00:43:10.587 --> 00:43:12.923 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
address it a little bit.

00:43:12.990 --> 00:43:14.725 align:center line:85% position:50% size:43%
Well, two things.

00:43:14.792 --> 00:43:18.996 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
What I want you guys to
talk about next is why

00:43:19.063 --> 00:43:22.633 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
management is absolutely
the best career track that

00:43:22.700 --> 00:43:24.101 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
you could possibly have.

00:43:24.168 --> 00:43:27.938 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And along with that, we
should probably discuss

00:43:28.005 --> 00:43:30.040 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
in a little bit of detail,
the work life balance

00:43:30.107 --> 00:43:35.779 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
because the way we work,
most of the time, we can

00:43:35.846 --> 00:43:39.416 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
go home on time and
be satisfied that

00:43:39.483 --> 00:43:41.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
we've done a
good day's work.

00:43:41.151 --> 00:43:44.054 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, Hannah, could you
start by telling me why

00:43:44.121 --> 00:43:47.391 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
management's the best and
then go into a little bit

00:43:47.458 --> 00:43:49.860 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
of detail of how your work
life balance has been

00:43:49.927 --> 00:43:51.962 align:center line:85% position:50% size:70%
in management specific jobs?

00:43:52.029 --> 00:43:54.398 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Now, as the Burma
desk officer,

00:43:54.465 --> 00:43:58.535 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
you're probably not doing
a management role right now.

00:43:58.602 --> 00:44:00.237 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
MS. SIN: Right, no, it's
definitely really different.

00:44:00.304 --> 00:44:03.173 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
And I miss
management work.

00:44:03.240 --> 00:44:05.409 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
It's just and I
know you know,

00:44:05.476 --> 00:44:09.680 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Clay having you
know done POL-MIL

00:44:09.747 --> 00:44:11.782 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
and some reporting jobs.

00:44:11.849 --> 00:44:14.251 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
You know what it's
like on the dark side.

00:44:14.318 --> 00:44:15.719 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
No, it's not really
the dark side,

00:44:15.786 --> 00:44:18.756 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
but it's, but
it's different.

00:44:18.822 --> 00:44:20.057 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
It's definitely
really different.

00:44:20.124 --> 00:44:24.461 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
I, you know, I'm,
I, like I said,

00:44:24.528 --> 00:44:27.931 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I like to get things done
and manage, and management

00:44:27.998 --> 00:44:31.735 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
world, it's very tangible
work that you're doing.

00:44:31.802 --> 00:44:33.937 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
You see the results
very quickly.

00:44:34.004 --> 00:44:36.407 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And in policy work,
you know, it's,

00:44:36.473 --> 00:44:38.609 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
it takes much longer.

00:44:38.675 --> 00:44:40.177 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
There are a lot
of you know,

00:44:40.244 --> 00:44:42.846 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
other decision makers,
other moving pieces.

00:44:42.913 --> 00:44:44.815 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
But that is also what
guides the work

00:44:44.882 --> 00:44:46.483 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
that we do overseas.

00:44:46.550 --> 00:44:49.286 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I mean, mine is sort of
consular work which

00:44:49.353 --> 00:44:51.355 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
is you know, really
about U.S.,

00:44:51.422 --> 00:44:52.623 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
U.S. citizens overseas.

00:44:52.689 --> 00:44:56.093 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
But when we talk about
foreign policy, it's,

00:44:56.160 --> 00:44:59.930 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
that sort of sets
the strategy,

00:44:59.997 --> 00:45:02.766 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
but I would say that
management work is really

00:45:02.833 --> 00:45:04.568 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
satisfying in that
you're really affecting

00:45:04.635 --> 00:45:07.771 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
people's lives in
very tangible ways.

00:45:07.838 --> 00:45:12.543 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
You know, from because we,
we pick up and we move

00:45:12.609 --> 00:45:14.111 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
our families, we
move our pets,

00:45:14.178 --> 00:45:17.081 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
we move our entire lives
and the people who

00:45:17.147 --> 00:45:20.417 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
are responsible for,
for that experience,

00:45:20.484 --> 00:45:21.552 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
are Management Officers.

00:45:21.618 --> 00:45:24.154 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And then once you get to
post the people who like

00:45:24.221 --> 00:45:26.423 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
take care of you,
like physically,

00:45:26.490 --> 00:45:30.594 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
in terms of your housing,
in terms of you know, like

00:45:30.661 --> 00:45:35.566 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
just your basic needs,
how the embassy functions,

00:45:35.632 --> 00:45:36.600 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
keeping the lights on.

00:45:36.667 --> 00:45:38.268 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
I mean those are
management people.

00:45:38.335 --> 00:45:42.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
And so, it just felt
really amazing to,

00:45:42.673 --> 00:45:48.145 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
to know that I was
essential in that way.

00:45:48.212 --> 00:45:51.648 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
I definitely felt even as
a, as a junior first level,

00:45:51.715 --> 00:45:54.585 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
my first and second
tour officer,

00:45:54.651 --> 00:45:58.288 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
doing GSO work, General
Services Officer work that

00:45:58.355 --> 00:46:02.860 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I, I was relevant and I
needed to be at work and

00:46:02.926 --> 00:46:06.463 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
I was having a direct impact
on people's lives and,

00:46:06.530 --> 00:46:10.334 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and if you like being in
public service and having

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.138 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
that direct impact,
I think it's,

00:46:14.204 --> 00:46:15.939 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
it's a, it's a really
good fit because you are

00:46:16.006 --> 00:46:19.476 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
able to take your skills
and see it translated

00:46:19.543 --> 00:46:22.513 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
in very day to day.

00:46:22.579 --> 00:46:23.380 align:center line:85% position:50% size:13%
Yeah.

00:46:23.447 --> 00:46:26.884 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Just day to day
actions, you know HR,

00:46:26.950 --> 00:46:28.919 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
financial management.

00:46:28.986 --> 00:46:33.457 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Just kind of, we all make
things work and move and

00:46:33.524 --> 00:46:37.027 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
so my foray into sort
of the policy world is

00:46:37.094 --> 00:46:40.430 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
more to inform my
management work because

00:46:40.497 --> 00:46:43.934 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
I do think that it's helpful
to know like what their

00:46:44.001 --> 00:46:47.738 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
priorities are, because in
an embassy and as you get

00:46:47.804 --> 00:46:50.073 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
more senior you know
you're expected to know

00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:55.379 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
a lot more about sort
of other tracks,

00:46:55.445 --> 00:46:56.980 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
other officers,
I mean, and some,

00:46:57.047 --> 00:47:00.117 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I mean not that you need
to, I mean you know,

00:47:00.184 --> 00:47:04.354 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
but like I said I'm,
I kind of have ADHD

00:47:04.421 --> 00:47:05.756 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
in terms of like career.

00:47:05.822 --> 00:47:08.759 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, I'm only switching,
but you know,

00:47:08.825 --> 00:47:11.595 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
if you have a track, you
know as a specialist for

00:47:11.662 --> 00:47:14.331 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
instance, and like you
really develop that deep

00:47:14.398 --> 00:47:17.134 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
expertise like, oh my
goodness, we need that.

00:47:17.201 --> 00:47:19.903 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
We need subject
matter experts.

00:47:19.970 --> 00:47:22.372 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
But I've definitely seen
at the senior level,

00:47:22.439 --> 00:47:26.910 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
you know, the really
effective senior leaders

00:47:26.977 --> 00:47:29.613 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
are the ones who understand
management work.

00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:32.249 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And you know, and it, I
think it shouldn't just

00:47:32.316 --> 00:47:35.385 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
be political, economic
officers who

00:47:35.452 --> 00:47:36.486 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
understand management work.

00:47:36.553 --> 00:47:39.056 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
It should be Management
Officers in those roles

00:47:39.122 --> 00:47:41.291 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
who you know, can
understand also the

00:47:41.358 --> 00:47:44.161 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
political, econ world
because we need

00:47:44.228 --> 00:47:45.996 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
more representation
at that level.

00:47:47.998 --> 00:47:49.900 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
So, I'm pro management.

00:47:49.967 --> 00:47:52.402 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
MR. HERREN: There you go.

00:47:52.469 --> 00:47:55.339 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, Katelyn, what,
what's your take on it?

00:47:55.405 --> 00:47:57.274 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
MS. CHOE: I
changed my cone.

00:47:57.341 --> 00:48:00.344 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I came in as a political
officer and soon quickly

00:48:00.410 --> 00:48:02.613 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
realized that I didn't
have the patience for it.

00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.615 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
God bless our
reporting officers.

00:48:04.681 --> 00:48:07.884 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
Because in my mind I
thought diplomacy were

00:48:07.951 --> 00:48:10.020 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
being a diplomat was the,

00:48:10.087 --> 00:48:11.888 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
just the political
officers or the ECON

00:48:11.955 --> 00:48:14.925 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
officers and didn't really
know much about that

00:48:14.992 --> 00:48:17.227 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
that you could be
a diplomat and

00:48:17.294 --> 00:48:18.895 align:center line:85% position:50% size:70%
a Management Officer, right?

00:48:18.962 --> 00:48:21.198 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And for me, what I needed,
what I've come to

00:48:21.265 --> 00:48:22.899 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
realize is that at
the end of the day,

00:48:22.966 --> 00:48:26.069 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I needed closure, whether
it is you know, how many

00:48:26.136 --> 00:48:30.507 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
how many you know, visa
applicants I've processed

00:48:30.574 --> 00:48:36.246 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
or how many real estate
housing contracts I was

00:48:36.313 --> 00:48:39.483 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
able to, you know, to
procure for our diplomats

00:48:39.549 --> 00:48:43.153 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and more, even more
granular than that because

00:48:43.220 --> 00:48:45.522 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
consular work is very
similar in that they're,

00:48:45.589 --> 00:48:49.426 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
it's more concrete and
measurable and it's also

00:48:49.493 --> 00:48:52.095 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
about helping people like
sort of a social work

00:48:52.162 --> 00:48:54.164 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
in an international scheme.

00:48:54.231 --> 00:48:57.501 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
But for me, what I enjoyed
more was helping our

00:48:57.567 --> 00:49:01.038 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
people, managing our
resources, strengthening,

00:49:01.104 --> 00:49:03.573 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
strengthening our
organization because

00:49:03.640 --> 00:49:05.676 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I really do believe that
our strongest asset

00:49:05.742 --> 00:49:07.678 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
of our State Department
is our people.

00:49:07.744 --> 00:49:10.714 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And to be able to really
be in a direct you know,

00:49:10.781 --> 00:49:14.017 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
line of work to be
able to support that,

00:49:14.084 --> 00:49:16.253 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
that's what really drew
me to management work.

00:49:17.287 --> 00:49:18.221 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
MR. HERREN: Great.

00:49:18.288 --> 00:49:20.757 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Clay, got any
thoughts on this?

00:49:20.824 --> 00:49:22.859 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
MR. ALLEN: Yeah, I do.

00:49:22.926 --> 00:49:24.027 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
I would absolutely agree.

00:49:24.094 --> 00:49:26.463 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I'm the kind of person
that that wants to see you

00:49:26.530 --> 00:49:28.732 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
know, you want you want to
be able to at the end of

00:49:28.799 --> 00:49:30.834 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the day look and see what
you've accomplished and

00:49:30.901 --> 00:49:34.504 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
management does absolutely
give you that, that,

00:49:34.571 --> 00:49:38.208 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
that sense of satisfaction.

00:49:38.275 --> 00:49:40.110 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And I'll, I'll kind of
share with you a little

00:49:40.177 --> 00:49:43.046 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
bit in terms of what I'm
dealing with right now and

00:49:43.113 --> 00:49:46.283 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
why management I feel
like is the, is the

00:49:46.350 --> 00:49:50.187 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
best career track that
you can, you can go.

00:49:50.253 --> 00:49:53.757 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Here, in well, in Haiti,
where we really have a

00:49:53.824 --> 00:49:55.425 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
situation where the,
the government

00:49:55.492 --> 00:49:56.626 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
is extremely weak.

00:49:56.693 --> 00:50:00.997 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
It's, it's barely
functioning because of all

00:50:01.064 --> 00:50:03.667 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the gangs that are taking
control of the city.

00:50:03.734 --> 00:50:08.105 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And so last year, we had a
situation where the gang

00:50:08.171 --> 00:50:10.774 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
seized the control of the
ports and it meant that

00:50:10.841 --> 00:50:14.144 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
we couldn't get fuel in,
we couldn't get basic

00:50:14.211 --> 00:50:17.147 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
necessities out of the
port to the embassy.

00:50:17.214 --> 00:50:21.084 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And the embassy operates
on generators and so

00:50:21.151 --> 00:50:23.286 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
we have to have fuel
to be able to operate.

00:50:23.353 --> 00:50:25.288 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And the decision was made
after the Under Secretary

00:50:25.355 --> 00:50:26.990 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
of Management came
to visit post,

00:50:27.057 --> 00:50:30.227 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the Assistant Secretary of
WHA came to visit post,

00:50:30.293 --> 00:50:35.298 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
that in order to support
the Haitian Government

00:50:35.365 --> 00:50:38.135 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
that we need to be
able to stay open.

00:50:38.201 --> 00:50:39.970 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
And so, they weren't
looking at political

00:50:40.036 --> 00:50:41.471 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
officers to try to
figure out how to

00:50:41.538 --> 00:50:43.306 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
stay open or ECON officers.

00:50:43.373 --> 00:50:45.409 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
They were looking at
management to say,

00:50:45.475 --> 00:50:48.512 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
how can you help us
accomplish this policy

00:50:48.578 --> 00:50:50.981 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
goal in terms of supporting
the, the local government?

00:50:51.047 --> 00:50:56.386 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
Because if we were
to close and go on a

00:50:56.453 --> 00:50:58.855 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
mandatory departure, the
government absolutely

00:50:58.922 --> 00:51:01.258 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
would have, would have
fallen to the gangs and

00:51:01.324 --> 00:51:04.594 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
so, in that, in that
moment we had to come up

00:51:04.661 --> 00:51:06.763 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
with solutions of how
do we get fuel when

00:51:06.830 --> 00:51:08.698 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
we can't get it
out of the port.

00:51:08.765 --> 00:51:13.069 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And so, in that time frame
I coordinated with the

00:51:13.136 --> 00:51:16.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
with SOUTHCOM, with DoD to
be able to airlift fuel

00:51:16.673 --> 00:51:18.942 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
into Port-au-Prince,
which I believe is,

00:51:19.009 --> 00:51:22.279 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
is probably the first time
in a non-combat situation

00:51:22.345 --> 00:51:24.781 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
that an embassy has
had to airlift fuel.

00:51:24.848 --> 00:51:26.950 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
So, we had to
airlift 40,000

00:51:27.017 --> 00:51:28.952 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
gallons of fuel while
we were finding out other

00:51:29.019 --> 00:51:32.088 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
ways that we could bring
in fuel to keep our

00:51:32.155 --> 00:51:35.959 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
operation open and which
we eventually did,

00:51:36.026 --> 00:51:38.862 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
but every time
I turn around,

00:51:38.929 --> 00:51:43.133 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
especially here in
Port-au-Prince when there

00:51:43.200 --> 00:51:46.870 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
is an important decision
to be made and,

00:51:46.937 --> 00:51:49.072 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
in terms of how we're
going to be able to do

00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:51.842 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
things, they always come
to management to say,

00:51:51.908 --> 00:51:54.177 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
can we do this,
how do we do this,

00:51:54.244 --> 00:51:55.745 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
what can we do
to support this?

00:51:55.812 --> 00:51:58.315 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
The last story I'll,
I'll give is that when

00:51:58.381 --> 00:52:01.117 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
I was leaving, I was
leaving Mumbai just as the,

00:52:01.184 --> 00:52:05.689 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the pandemic was, was
really getting started and

00:52:05.755 --> 00:52:09.292 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
my consul general did not
want me to leave post

00:52:09.359 --> 00:52:12.162 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
and I was at that
time going to the

00:52:12.229 --> 00:52:14.331 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
operation center, which the
operation center trumps.

00:52:14.397 --> 00:52:16.666 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
And so, he didn't have much
of a say in the matter,

00:52:16.733 --> 00:52:18.268 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
but he said to me
something that

00:52:18.335 --> 00:52:21.404 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I'll never forget and
that's what he, that was

00:52:21.471 --> 00:52:23.206 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
I can get by without
a political officer.

00:52:23.273 --> 00:52:25.742 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
I can get by without
an ECON chief.

00:52:25.809 --> 00:52:29.246 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
What I can't get by without
is a Management Officer.

00:52:29.312 --> 00:52:32.115 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
How are we going to
stay operational if you,

00:52:32.182 --> 00:52:33.183 align:center line:85% position:50% size:35%
if you depart?

00:52:33.250 --> 00:52:36.286 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And so, that to me
kind of sums it up.

00:52:36.353 --> 00:52:41.424 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
When, when you know, when
everything is kind of

00:52:41.491 --> 00:52:43.126 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
when the crap hits the fan,
they're looking for a

00:52:43.193 --> 00:52:44.427 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Management Officer to
solve the problem,

00:52:44.494 --> 00:52:45.629 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
not for anybody else.

00:52:45.695 --> 00:52:47.597 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
And that's, I mean that's
just that the reality of it.

00:52:47.664 --> 00:52:50.800 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And I like being in that
situation where you have

00:52:50.867 --> 00:52:54.804 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the ability to make an
incredible contribution to

00:52:54.871 --> 00:52:57.274 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the mission, whether that
be in supporting your

00:52:57.340 --> 00:52:59.476 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
colleagues in terms of
just the basic life

00:52:59.543 --> 00:53:02.412 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
support, housing, things
of that nature or whether

00:53:02.479 --> 00:53:04.748 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
it be on the policy side
where you are absolutely

00:53:04.814 --> 00:53:09.119 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
facilitating policy by
your ability to push the

00:53:09.185 --> 00:53:12.088 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
narrative forward in the,
or actual services

00:53:12.155 --> 00:53:13.924 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
forward in these, in
these other areas.

00:53:15.325 --> 00:53:16.560 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
MR. HERREN: Thank you.

00:53:16.626 --> 00:53:18.261 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
So, one of the things
that's popping up

00:53:18.328 --> 00:53:21.565 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
in the questions is
about how valued

00:53:21.631 --> 00:53:22.933 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
are Management Officers?

00:53:22.999 --> 00:53:25.936 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
If I summarize it a little
bit and the thing to

00:53:26.002 --> 00:53:29.506 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
keep in mind is when a
management team does

00:53:29.573 --> 00:53:33.443 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
its job, it allows the
political officer and the

00:53:33.510 --> 00:53:35.412 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
ECON Officer, Public
Affairs officer,

00:53:35.478 --> 00:53:37.914 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
the ambassador and the
deputy chief of mission

00:53:37.981 --> 00:53:40.517 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
all to focus on
their major duties.

00:53:40.584 --> 00:53:44.487 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
If we can't do
those things well,

00:53:44.554 --> 00:53:46.623 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
they're not able to
spend as much time doing

00:53:46.690 --> 00:53:49.225 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
what they're in
the country to do.

00:53:49.292 --> 00:53:52.963 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And every one of
them realizes that.

00:53:53.029 --> 00:53:55.398 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
And we are
extremely valued.

00:53:55.465 --> 00:53:59.002 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
We're a key portion
of any country team.

00:53:59.069 --> 00:54:03.907 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And you will find that the
DCM will usually have a

00:54:03.974 --> 00:54:06.710 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
weekly meeting with the
management counselor,

00:54:06.776 --> 00:54:09.045 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
more so than he would any
of the other offices.

00:54:09.112 --> 00:54:11.715 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
Simply because he needs to
understand the internal

00:54:11.781 --> 00:54:14.351 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
operations and get a
sense of what's going on.

00:54:14.417 --> 00:54:18.588 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You also find that more
and more Management

00:54:18.655 --> 00:54:21.925 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
Officers are having
opportunities to be

00:54:21.992 --> 00:54:24.894 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
chiefs of mission,
to be ambassadors,

00:54:24.961 --> 00:54:27.097 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
to be deputy
chief of mission.

00:54:27.163 --> 00:54:29.966 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And it's because of
the skill sets that

00:54:30.033 --> 00:54:32.268 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
we develop as problem
solvers and managers

00:54:32.335 --> 00:54:36.940 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
of people and missions.

00:54:37.007 --> 00:54:39.576 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
We do all of that stuff
as part of our training.

00:54:39.643 --> 00:54:42.112 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
It's a corps to us
and it really is

00:54:42.178 --> 00:54:44.114 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
what drives us forward.

00:54:44.180 --> 00:54:47.917 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I'm going to shift gears
just a little bit.

00:54:47.984 --> 00:54:50.020 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
We haven't talked
much about the family

00:54:50.086 --> 00:54:54.624 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
lifestyle and I'm
curious, Katelyn,

00:54:54.691 --> 00:54:57.293 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
would you like to kind
of expand on, you know,

00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:58.862 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
your family's
traveled with you.

00:54:58.928 --> 00:54:59.929 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
Have they enjoyed it?

00:54:59.996 --> 00:55:02.966 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
Have there been
frustrations?

00:55:03.033 --> 00:55:04.401 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
You talked about
pets earlier.

00:55:04.467 --> 00:55:07.203 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
How many of them travel
the world with you?

00:55:07.270 --> 00:55:09.673 align:center line:85% position:50% size:43%
What's that like?

00:55:09.739 --> 00:55:10.340 align:center line:85% position:50% size:38%
MS. CHOE: Sure.

00:55:10.407 --> 00:55:13.410 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I just want to pause too,
to just recognize of

00:55:13.476 --> 00:55:17.013 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
participants who are now
363 of you who are still

00:55:17.080 --> 00:55:20.583 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
remaining in this
call and just how,

00:55:20.650 --> 00:55:23.253 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
how encouraging that
is for me personally,

00:55:23.319 --> 00:55:27.190 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
just to have you take this
time and as an expression

00:55:27.257 --> 00:55:31.761 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
of your interest and,
and commitment, it just,

00:55:31.828 --> 00:55:34.164 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
it's really, it's really
encouraging for me and

00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:36.933 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
I really hope that, that you
will consider applying

00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.735 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
that you will consider
joining because if

00:55:38.802 --> 00:55:41.838 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
anything else, do you see
the people that I get to

00:55:41.905 --> 00:55:43.873 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
work with like Hannah
and Clay and Denver?

00:55:43.940 --> 00:55:46.576 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I mean it's again, it's
just, it's not just

00:55:46.643 --> 00:55:49.379 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the work, but it's the
people that's in it.

00:55:49.446 --> 00:55:52.982 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And my husband, I came
in as a single person,

00:55:53.049 --> 00:55:54.751 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
and my husband I met.

00:55:54.818 --> 00:55:56.986 align:center line:85% position:50% size:73%
He's, he's, he's an American.

00:55:57.053 --> 00:55:59.289 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
But he was on a
business trip.

00:55:59.355 --> 00:56:02.158 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
And so, he has,
he's a publisher.

00:56:02.225 --> 00:56:03.860 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
He's able to do his work
as long as there is

00:56:03.927 --> 00:56:05.462 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
internet and a phone line.

00:56:05.528 --> 00:56:07.230 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
And this was again
before COVID.

00:56:07.297 --> 00:56:09.766 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I think the silver lining
of COVID has really

00:56:09.833 --> 00:56:11.634 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
taught us that, you know,
just to be able to

00:56:11.701 --> 00:56:15.238 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
leverage technology
and the psychological

00:56:15.305 --> 00:56:16.706 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
concept of remote work,

00:56:16.773 --> 00:56:19.175 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I think is more
prevalent now than it

00:56:19.242 --> 00:56:20.910 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
was when I entered.

00:56:20.977 --> 00:56:22.345 align:center line:85% position:50% size:38%
My kids are 16.

00:56:22.412 --> 00:56:25.148 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I have a 16 year old son
and I have a 13 year old

00:56:25.215 --> 00:56:26.883 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
daughter going on 18.

00:56:26.950 --> 00:56:30.153 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And this is their first
time ever, now that I'm

00:56:30.220 --> 00:56:32.922 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
based in California,
first time ever that

00:56:32.989 --> 00:56:34.724 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
they are going to a
school in America.

00:56:34.791 --> 00:56:37.060 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, they have studied
and done their schools

00:56:37.127 --> 00:56:40.864 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
overseas and so they're
going through a little

00:56:40.930 --> 00:56:44.334 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
bit of a reverse culture
shock for them right now.

00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.271 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
And I, I will
share one story,

00:56:48.338 --> 00:56:49.205 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
funny story with you.

00:56:49.272 --> 00:56:52.041 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
My mother came to visit us
in New Zealand and at the

00:56:52.108 --> 00:56:54.377 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
time my kids were younger.

00:56:54.444 --> 00:56:58.715 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
I think Isaiah was
nine and Dalia, seven.

00:56:58.782 --> 00:57:01.050 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
She asked my
kids like, oh,

00:57:01.117 --> 00:57:02.352 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
what do you want to
be when you grow up?

00:57:02.418 --> 00:57:04.654 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
You know, a very
light conversation

00:57:04.721 --> 00:57:05.955 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
at the dinner table.

00:57:06.022 --> 00:57:08.858 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
But my son piped
up and said,

00:57:08.925 --> 00:57:12.061 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I want to be a diplomat
just like mommy and

00:57:12.128 --> 00:57:14.864 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
my mom sort of, like
got all proud.

00:57:14.931 --> 00:57:16.065 align:center line:85% position:50% size:20%
Oh yeah.

00:57:16.132 --> 00:57:17.901 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
But he immediately
ruined it, you know,

00:57:17.967 --> 00:57:21.204 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
by saying because
we get free housing.

00:57:21.271 --> 00:57:23.540 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
And my daughter piped
up and said, oh yeah,

00:57:23.606 --> 00:57:26.309 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and I'm going to live for
free with brother Isaiah.

00:57:26.376 --> 00:57:28.878 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, not representing
our country, you know,

00:57:28.945 --> 00:57:31.581 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
not public service,
but free housing.

00:57:31.648 --> 00:57:32.882 align:center line:85% position:50% size:43%
But that's a lot.

00:57:32.949 --> 00:57:35.451 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I mean, we have some
amazing housing options

00:57:35.518 --> 00:57:37.287 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
and it's free overseas.

00:57:37.353 --> 00:57:39.989 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And they were able to
attend schools for free at

00:57:40.056 --> 00:57:42.425 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
the best, top international
private schools,

00:57:42.492 --> 00:57:47.363 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
where to be frank, they
are not so thrilled with

00:57:47.430 --> 00:57:50.066 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
the public school
system in California,

00:57:50.133 --> 00:57:52.635 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
thinking like, what's,
what's going on?

00:57:52.702 --> 00:57:53.870 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
These school,
these teachers?

00:57:53.937 --> 00:57:56.940 align:center line:79% position:50% size:75%
I hope they're not teachers in
this mix are not motivated.

00:57:57.006 --> 00:57:58.908 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
Their teachers,
not all teachers,

00:57:58.975 --> 00:58:00.543 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
but their teachers
are not so motivated.

00:58:00.610 --> 00:58:02.011 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
The students are
not so motivated.

00:58:02.078 --> 00:58:04.380 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, they have a pretty
high bar and standard.

00:58:04.447 --> 00:58:07.617 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And they also don't sweat
the small stuff, right?

00:58:07.684 --> 00:58:09.552 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I mean, they're certain
they just have a global

00:58:09.619 --> 00:58:11.554 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
perspective about things.

00:58:11.621 --> 00:58:13.189 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And maybe Clay, you might
want to mention that too,

00:58:13.256 --> 00:58:16.759 align:center line:79% position:50% size:73%
now that your kids are older,
but I hope to God I'm not

00:58:16.826 --> 00:58:18.361 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
going to have to spend a
lot of money on therapy

00:58:18.428 --> 00:58:21.231 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
for having to move them
every three or two years.

00:58:21.297 --> 00:58:25.935 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
But so far so good, that
they understand their,

00:58:26.002 --> 00:58:28.738 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
their role or their
place in the world as

00:58:28.805 --> 00:58:30.340 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
a global citizen, right?

00:58:30.406 --> 00:58:32.575 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And so, I think they have
a sort of a wider lens

00:58:32.642 --> 00:58:35.511 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
through which even as a
teenager that they're

00:58:35.578 --> 00:58:37.680 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
able to sort of roll
with the, you know,

00:58:37.747 --> 00:58:39.983 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
roll with the, with the
different changes.

00:58:40.984 --> 00:58:42.285 align:center line:85% position:50% size:73%
MR. HERREN: Great. Thank you.

00:58:42.352 --> 00:58:44.387 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
Hannah, how do you feel
about all of this?

00:58:44.454 --> 00:58:46.422 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
MS. SIN: Well, yeah.

00:58:46.489 --> 00:58:48.524 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
And I wanted to acknowledge
your earlier question,

00:58:48.591 --> 00:58:50.260 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
Denver about work life
balance and I guess

00:58:50.326 --> 00:58:51.794 align:center line:85% position:50% size:73%
this is sort of tied to that.

00:58:51.861 --> 00:58:56.900 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I, like Katelyn, I came
in as a single person

00:58:56.966 --> 00:59:02.639 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and then I found my
partner in my first tour.

00:59:02.705 --> 00:59:07.310 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And sort of unexpectedly,
and the journey has

00:59:07.377 --> 00:59:10.780 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
been and then we
recently had a child.

00:59:10.847 --> 00:59:14.083 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
The journey has been
unexpected and that

00:59:14.150 --> 00:59:17.553 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I, you know, came to the
Foreign Service like,

00:59:17.620 --> 00:59:21.124 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know, wanting a life
change and then ended up,

00:59:21.190 --> 00:59:26.229 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
you know, like having a
family, which to me was,

00:59:26.296 --> 00:59:29.732 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and what was just
surprising in that like I,

00:59:29.799 --> 00:59:32.302 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I just sort of was open at
a certain point because

00:59:32.368 --> 00:59:35.638 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
in the Foreign Service,
you kind of, like you

00:59:35.705 --> 00:59:38.708 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
got to let go of a
lot of control because

00:59:38.775 --> 00:59:40.543 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
you don't control
your first tours,

00:59:40.610 --> 00:59:44.347 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
you don't control
your housing.

00:59:44.414 --> 00:59:47.116 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
So, there's certain things
that are outside of your

00:59:47.183 --> 00:59:51.087 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
control but in some ways
are really freeing that I,

00:59:51.154 --> 00:59:52.388 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
you know, you kind of
don't have to make

00:59:52.455 --> 00:59:54.424 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
certain decisions
like someone else is

00:59:54.490 --> 00:59:55.992 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
making those decisions.

00:59:56.059 --> 01:00:01.431 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
But what I really love
about the Foreign Service

01:00:01.497 --> 01:00:06.069 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
and took time is the
sense of community.

01:00:06.135 --> 01:00:09.672 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Because in the beginning
it's like wow,

01:00:09.739 --> 01:00:12.442 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
my coworkers are my
neighbors, you know?

01:00:12.508 --> 01:00:15.778 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And like you're just, kind
of in this, in this world

01:00:15.845 --> 01:00:17.513 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and not all the time,
depending on the post.

01:00:17.580 --> 01:00:19.916 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
Some posts, you know you're
really on your own and,

01:00:19.983 --> 01:00:21.951 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
you know, you don't see
your coworkers outside

01:00:22.018 --> 01:00:24.287 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
of work if it's a
really large post,

01:00:24.354 --> 01:00:25.722 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
but in small
posts, you know,

01:00:25.788 --> 01:00:27.957 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
you can live
on a compound.

01:00:28.024 --> 01:00:30.660 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
And it felt
really sort of,

01:00:30.727 --> 01:00:32.261 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
it felt really different
and strange because

01:00:32.328 --> 01:00:36.532 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I wasn't used to having
that like all together.

01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.102 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
But now it's like,
wow, you know, you,

01:00:39.168 --> 01:00:41.971 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you become friends with
people maybe you wouldn't

01:00:42.038 --> 01:00:45.541 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
have, because you're like
in your own like little

01:00:45.608 --> 01:00:48.011 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
bubble, social bubble, but
in the Foreign Service,

01:00:48.077 --> 01:00:50.980 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you just have to learn to
work with everyone and

01:00:51.047 --> 01:00:54.984 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
then you just have bonds
with people you know

01:00:55.051 --> 01:00:59.255 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
going through the same
experience, often intense,

01:00:59.322 --> 01:01:03.259 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
and you just learn to
support each other

01:01:03.326 --> 01:01:04.660 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
like you know people.

01:01:04.727 --> 01:01:08.831 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
I can't tell you the
number of meals that I got

01:01:08.898 --> 01:01:13.936 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
after I had my child and
just people who checked in

01:01:14.003 --> 01:01:17.774 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
and just the sort of
the care and the love

01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.277 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
that I felt from, you
know, my colleagues.

01:01:21.344 --> 01:01:23.212 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
But they aren't just your
colleagues you know,

01:01:23.279 --> 01:01:27.917 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
they're really, they're
your community and it just

01:01:27.984 --> 01:01:31.220 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
coming back to the states,
it's definitely you,

01:01:31.287 --> 01:01:33.589 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
you feel more of a
distance in some ways

01:01:33.656 --> 01:01:35.658 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
as part of that
culture shock because

01:01:35.725 --> 01:01:38.628 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
it's more of a, you
know, a closeknit

01:01:38.694 --> 01:01:40.696 align:center line:85% position:50% size:78%
community when you're overseas.

01:01:40.763 --> 01:01:45.268 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
But the work life balance
is really achievable.

01:01:45.334 --> 01:01:47.870 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
It's up to you to
set boundaries and

01:01:47.937 --> 01:01:51.774 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I think the Department is
becoming more flexible

01:01:51.841 --> 01:01:52.942 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
especially since COVID.

01:01:53.009 --> 01:01:56.412 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
I think that you know like
just government, in general

01:01:56.479 --> 01:02:00.016 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
has become more flexible,
but it's totally doable.

01:02:00.083 --> 01:02:03.719 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You just set your own
boundaries and you look

01:02:03.786 --> 01:02:05.922 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
for positions that are
good matches for you and

01:02:05.988 --> 01:02:10.626 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
your family and, but you
have to proactively sort of

01:02:10.693 --> 01:02:14.864 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
you know, look for those
opportunities and find

01:02:14.931 --> 01:02:16.699 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
people who will support
you and at different

01:02:16.766 --> 01:02:18.101 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
times in your career
you're going to

01:02:18.167 --> 01:02:19.102 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
want different things.

01:02:19.168 --> 01:02:21.304 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You're going to want to
be more career focused

01:02:21.370 --> 01:02:23.206 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
or be more family focused.

01:02:23.272 --> 01:02:25.441 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And the nice thing is that
since you change jobs

01:02:25.508 --> 01:02:28.911 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
every few years, you can
also change, you know,

01:02:28.978 --> 01:02:33.015 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
sort of your work life
culture and the balance.

01:02:34.217 --> 01:02:35.585 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
MR. HERREN: Great, thanks.

01:02:35.651 --> 01:02:37.954 align:center line:85% position:50% size:13%
Clay?

01:02:38.020 --> 01:02:39.622 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
MR. ALLEN: So, I came.

01:02:39.689 --> 01:02:40.623 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
Go ahead. Sorry.

01:02:40.690 --> 01:02:41.624 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
MR. HERREN: No,
that's all right.

01:02:41.691 --> 01:02:42.925 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
I forgot what I
was going to say.

01:02:42.992 --> 01:02:45.228 align:center line:85% position:50% size:25%
[LAUGHTER]

01:02:45.294 --> 01:02:46.529 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
MR. ALLEN: I came
in a little older,

01:02:46.596 --> 01:02:49.298 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
so I was 40 when I came
into the Foreign Service

01:02:49.365 --> 01:02:51.901 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and so we we'd already
had you know our,

01:02:51.968 --> 01:02:53.569 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
our family was
already started and,

01:02:53.636 --> 01:02:55.972 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and I had kids in high
school and so forth.

01:02:56.038 --> 01:02:58.207 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And so, we sat down as a
family and said, okay,

01:02:58.274 --> 01:02:59.976 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
here's what we're looking
at doing you know,

01:03:00.042 --> 01:03:01.244 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
is everybody on
board with this?

01:03:01.310 --> 01:03:03.746 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
And of course all the kids
were like, yes let's do it.

01:03:03.813 --> 01:03:06.415 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
Which was great until
we actually did it and,

01:03:06.482 --> 01:03:10.920 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and then there was, there
was the hesitation of you,

01:03:10.987 --> 01:03:12.188 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
you mean you want me
to move in the middle

01:03:12.255 --> 01:03:14.991 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
of my senior year,
which, which we did.

01:03:15.057 --> 01:03:17.793 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And so, my oldest
daughter, you know,

01:03:17.860 --> 01:03:21.764 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
was frustrated about that
when we got to Manila.

01:03:21.831 --> 01:03:27.170 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
She had such a great time
finishing off her high

01:03:27.236 --> 01:03:29.505 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
school in Manila that she
said that you know that

01:03:29.572 --> 01:03:31.440 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the time I spent in
Manila was better than

01:03:31.507 --> 01:03:33.442 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
the entire rest of
the time I had spent

01:03:33.509 --> 01:03:34.610 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
in my previous high school.

01:03:34.677 --> 01:03:37.246 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You know she, she, she
has friends to this day

01:03:37.313 --> 01:03:41.784 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
that, that she's still
is in touch with.

01:03:41.851 --> 01:03:44.120 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
And my second
oldest daughter,

01:03:44.187 --> 01:03:46.789 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
we moved her from Manila
for her senior year

01:03:46.856 --> 01:03:48.291 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
to be in Singapore.

01:03:48.357 --> 01:03:49.959 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
So, she also moved
into Singapore and,

01:03:50.026 --> 01:03:50.960 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
and she said
the same thing.

01:03:51.027 --> 01:03:53.629 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
I love Manila, but Singapore
was even better, so.

01:03:53.696 --> 01:03:57.567 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
So, we've had great luck
in terms of our kids

01:03:57.633 --> 01:04:01.871 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
really assimilating to the
Foreign Service lifestyle.

01:04:01.938 --> 01:04:03.906 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
In fact, my
third daughter,

01:04:03.973 --> 01:04:07.410 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
when she graduated high
school in, in Brussels,

01:04:07.476 --> 01:04:09.312 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
she still had her
cap and gown on,

01:04:09.378 --> 01:04:10.913 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
we're, you know, getting
ready to go get some,

01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:13.749 align:center line:79% position:50% size:75%
some refreshments and she
turns to us, to my wife and I,

01:04:13.816 --> 01:04:16.485 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
and says, thus begins
the decline of my life.

01:04:16.552 --> 01:04:19.455 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
I'm 18 years old, I've
been to 32 countries,

01:04:19.522 --> 01:04:21.023 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and I will never be
able to duplicate this

01:04:21.090 --> 01:04:23.960 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
in my own, my own
personal experience.

01:04:24.026 --> 01:04:27.797 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And so, and so, my kids
have all been kind of

01:04:27.863 --> 01:04:30.299 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
the, you know, they
like to check boxes

01:04:30.366 --> 01:04:32.001 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
and check countries
that they've been in.

01:04:32.068 --> 01:04:33.769 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
Who's been in what country
first and who, you know,

01:04:33.836 --> 01:04:35.104 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
who has bragging
rights on that.

01:04:35.171 --> 01:04:38.908 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And so, they've all really
enjoyed it and like

01:04:38.975 --> 01:04:41.377 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I was saying before what
it did really create,

01:04:41.444 --> 01:04:45.047 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
was a close bond
between them as siblings

01:04:45.114 --> 01:04:50.953 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
and so it's, it's ironic
that you know, we,

01:04:51.020 --> 01:04:52.288 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
we've been all
over the world and,

01:04:52.355 --> 01:04:54.156 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
and for that matter
all over the U.S.

01:04:54.223 --> 01:04:56.292 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and all of my kids are in
the same town within a

01:04:56.359 --> 01:04:57.760 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
half a mile of each other.

01:04:57.827 --> 01:05:00.162 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And you know,
supporting each other,

01:05:00.229 --> 01:05:01.397 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
which is, which
is great too,

01:05:01.464 --> 01:05:03.099 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
but I I definitely
think that you have

01:05:03.165 --> 01:05:05.067 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
to advocate for yourself.

01:05:05.134 --> 01:05:07.970 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
The Department wants
to be family friendly,

01:05:08.037 --> 01:05:09.905 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
but I think sometimes
that's complicated

01:05:09.972 --> 01:05:11.507 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
in terms of how
that all works out.

01:05:11.574 --> 01:05:14.744 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
So, you have to be
able to go in and,

01:05:14.810 --> 01:05:16.412 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and look for allies to
help you accomplish

01:05:16.479 --> 01:05:17.913 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
what you need to
do for your kids.

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:20.016 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
But the quality of
education that they

01:05:20.082 --> 01:05:23.919 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
get overseas is just
phenomenal and being

01:05:23.986 --> 01:05:26.656 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
able to go to these
private schools.

01:05:26.722 --> 01:05:32.128 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
My son played football
with the, one of the

01:05:32.194 --> 01:05:36.299 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Prince of Oman and so
you know, you get to meet

01:05:36.365 --> 01:05:39.135 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
you know interesting,
interesting people.

01:05:39.201 --> 01:05:40.636 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
And I think the
other thing too,

01:05:40.703 --> 01:05:42.505 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
you know when my when my
oldest daughter went to

01:05:42.571 --> 01:05:46.208 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
university, she ended up,

01:05:46.275 --> 01:05:50.346 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
all of her roommates were
the foreign kids.

01:05:50.413 --> 01:05:53.449 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
They were all foreign kids
from Asia and that's

01:05:53.516 --> 01:05:55.685 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
where she felt comfortable
because of her

01:05:55.751 --> 01:05:56.919 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
experience in Manila.

01:05:56.986 --> 01:06:01.457 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, it's really really
opened up their world

01:06:01.524 --> 01:06:05.995 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
in terms of being able to be
with anybody and not feel

01:06:06.062 --> 01:06:09.198 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
uncomfortable and, and be
able to you know share

01:06:09.265 --> 01:06:10.700 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
those experiences
and so forth.

01:06:10.766 --> 01:06:12.468 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
So, I think that's.

01:06:12.535 --> 01:06:14.403 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
That's the great part
that the Foreign Service

01:06:14.470 --> 01:06:16.305 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
has done for us
as a family is,

01:06:16.372 --> 01:06:18.874 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
is really been able to
provide an actually

01:06:18.941 --> 01:06:23.145 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
excellent education and
exposure to peoples and

01:06:23.212 --> 01:06:24.747 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
customs and cultures that
they would have never

01:06:24.814 --> 01:06:28.451 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
had the opportunity to
do living in the U.S.

01:06:28.517 --> 01:06:30.286 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
and to learn languages.

01:06:30.353 --> 01:06:34.290 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I've got one of my
daughters has a minor

01:06:34.357 --> 01:06:36.359 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
in French, another one
has a minor in Spanish,

01:06:36.425 --> 01:06:38.260 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
and so they've
also been very

01:06:38.327 --> 01:06:39.495 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
interested in language.

01:06:39.562 --> 01:06:41.230 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
My oldest is
learning Swedish.

01:06:41.297 --> 01:06:44.300 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
So, you know, it's, it's
been great from that

01:06:44.367 --> 01:06:45.968 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
perspective as well.

01:06:46.035 --> 01:06:47.336 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
MR. HERREN: Great.

01:06:47.403 --> 01:06:50.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
Well, we're starting to
get short on time and

01:06:50.673 --> 01:06:52.475 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
there's two questions
that have popped up

01:06:52.541 --> 01:06:53.943 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
periodically in the group.

01:06:54.009 --> 01:06:55.945 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
I'm going to throw
them both out.

01:06:56.011 --> 01:06:58.614 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
Katelyn, you can
choose one or both,

01:06:58.681 --> 01:07:03.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
but there's a lot of
questions about what a

01:07:03.152 --> 01:07:04.987 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
day in the life of a
Management Officer

01:07:05.054 --> 01:07:07.056 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
actually looks like.

01:07:07.123 --> 01:07:09.425 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And the second thing
that we need to try to

01:07:09.492 --> 01:07:12.228 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
identify is, you know,
what skills have you found

01:07:12.294 --> 01:07:16.632 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
to be most relevant to be
a good Management Officer?

01:07:18.634 --> 01:07:21.270 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
MS. CHOE: Gosh, those are
great questions, right?

01:07:21.337 --> 01:07:24.140 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
I'll start with
the second one.

01:07:24.206 --> 01:07:26.108 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I think it's really back
to what Hannah said

01:07:26.175 --> 01:07:28.511 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
about your ability
to problem solve,

01:07:28.577 --> 01:07:31.180 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
your ability to connect
the dots where maybe it

01:07:31.247 --> 01:07:34.083 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
may seem very disparate,
but you're able to sort of

01:07:34.150 --> 01:07:35.751 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
say what's the theme here?

01:07:35.818 --> 01:07:39.321 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
What is the why behind
the the ask, right?

01:07:39.388 --> 01:07:43.058 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Whether it is someone who
is really unhappy with

01:07:43.125 --> 01:07:45.594 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
a person's housing or
complaining about

01:07:45.661 --> 01:07:48.931 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
let's say a carpet or,
or a curtain or their

01:07:48.998 --> 01:07:52.802 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
furniture, you realize or
if you're working in HR

01:07:52.868 --> 01:07:55.004 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and this person is really
adamant that this person

01:07:55.070 --> 01:07:57.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
can only go to like five
posts, not the world,

01:07:57.673 --> 01:08:03.045 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you really get to sort of
go one level higher than

01:08:03.112 --> 01:08:05.881 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
that or deeper than that
and say like what is the,

01:08:05.948 --> 01:08:09.351 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
what's the need here
and how can I be able

01:08:09.418 --> 01:08:11.554 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
to be of help, right?

01:08:11.620 --> 01:08:12.688 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
And so, being
service minded,

01:08:12.755 --> 01:08:15.958 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
not just for our country
but for our people, right?

01:08:16.025 --> 01:08:19.662 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
To be able to step back
and say how can I ensure

01:08:19.728 --> 01:08:23.899 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
that the need behind the ask
is being addressed, right?

01:08:23.966 --> 01:08:25.968 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
I think it's also.

01:08:26.035 --> 01:08:29.572 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You're, you know, just
rolling up your sleeves

01:08:29.638 --> 01:08:31.841 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
and being able to do
the work that's needed.

01:08:31.907 --> 01:08:36.212 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
You know, no job is
too, too, you know,

01:08:36.278 --> 01:08:38.647 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
trivial for you.

01:08:38.714 --> 01:08:40.950 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
At least I feel like
that's the way in which

01:08:41.016 --> 01:08:44.787 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
that I really connect
with, as Hannah mentioned,

01:08:44.854 --> 01:08:47.189 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
all the people, the
local staff that

01:08:47.256 --> 01:08:48.257 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
you get to work with.

01:08:48.324 --> 01:08:51.427 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And using that as an
example when I worked with

01:08:51.494 --> 01:08:55.664 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
Hannah in Embassy Seoul,
management had the largest

01:08:55.731 --> 01:08:59.568 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
number of the local staff
who are working under

01:08:59.635 --> 01:09:02.471 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the Management Officer
at the embassy, right?

01:09:02.538 --> 01:09:04.473 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
More than many
other sections.

01:09:04.540 --> 01:09:05.975 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
We're talking about the
number of motor pool

01:09:06.041 --> 01:09:08.677 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
drivers, the
facilities team,

01:09:08.744 --> 01:09:13.115 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the general services
local and HR specialists,

01:09:13.182 --> 01:09:16.919 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
budget analysts, real
estate, procurement agents.

01:09:16.986 --> 01:09:19.722 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
I mean, I think all in
all there were about,

01:09:19.788 --> 01:09:23.392 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I want to say about 350
local staff who worked

01:09:23.459 --> 01:09:25.828 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
under the Management
Officer in addition to

01:09:25.895 --> 01:09:30.766 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
15 U.S. Direct Hire
Americans as a Human

01:09:30.833 --> 01:09:33.769 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Resources Officer or as a
General Services Officer

01:09:33.836 --> 01:09:35.170 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
as Hannah was, right?

01:09:35.237 --> 01:09:39.241 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And so, what I perceive in
that role is you're not

01:09:39.308 --> 01:09:41.243 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
ever going to be able
to be at those multiple

01:09:41.310 --> 01:09:43.279 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
locations and those jobs.

01:09:43.345 --> 01:09:45.548 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
I compared myself as
sort of a conductor

01:09:45.614 --> 01:09:46.916 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
of an orchestra.

01:09:46.982 --> 01:09:49.418 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
You've got the first
chair cellists,

01:09:49.485 --> 01:09:52.221 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
first chair violinist like
Hannah who is the expert

01:09:52.288 --> 01:09:56.592 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
in and her senior staff
who are incredible

01:09:56.659 --> 01:09:57.860 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
in your, in that role.

01:09:57.927 --> 01:10:00.629 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
You as a Management
Officer are to be

01:10:00.696 --> 01:10:03.165 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the advocate so they
get the resources that

01:10:03.232 --> 01:10:05.267 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
they need to be able
to do their job.

01:10:05.334 --> 01:10:08.604 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Your job is to also
orchestrate this harmony

01:10:08.671 --> 01:10:11.907 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
between all the different
disparate sort of still

01:10:11.974 --> 01:10:15.945 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
pipes of excellence as we
are in in any bureaucracy

01:10:16.011 --> 01:10:19.181 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
and then your job is also
to be able to translate

01:10:19.248 --> 01:10:22.117 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the work that you're doing
in management through the,

01:10:22.184 --> 01:10:24.453 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
the policymakers like
political and ECON

01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:26.755 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
officers in the way
that they understand,

01:10:26.822 --> 01:10:30.259 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
so that their ask of us
right, is something that

01:10:30.326 --> 01:10:32.628 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
we can carry out or if
they're constraints that

01:10:32.695 --> 01:10:34.630 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
we're not able to carry
out that we can then

01:10:34.697 --> 01:10:37.466 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
translate that to them in
such a way that that would

01:10:37.533 --> 01:10:38.634 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
be acceptable for them.

01:10:38.701 --> 01:10:40.603 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
So, there's a lot
of translating,

01:10:40.669 --> 01:10:44.406 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
communicating, but then
also I'm, you know,

01:10:44.473 --> 01:10:47.209 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
I'm not, I've
known to go to the,

01:10:47.276 --> 01:10:49.311 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
to the motor pool and
roll up my sleeves and

01:10:49.378 --> 01:10:51.480 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
wash cars with the motor
pool drivers, right?

01:10:51.547 --> 01:10:54.550 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Just to be able to create
that cohesive team.

01:10:56.352 --> 01:10:57.586 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
MR. HERREN: Thank you.

01:10:57.653 --> 01:11:01.123 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, Hannah, do you want
to tackle one or the

01:11:01.190 --> 01:11:02.491 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
other of those questions?

01:11:02.558 --> 01:11:05.594 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
MS. SIN: I'll do both
short, in short form.

01:11:05.661 --> 01:11:12.501 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I would say, day in the
life is if you think of

01:11:12.568 --> 01:11:17.606 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
Management Officers as being
responsible for the people

01:11:17.673 --> 01:11:24.847 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
and the stuff and the
buildings, just and

01:11:24.913 --> 01:11:28.617 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
everything that entails
and, and working

01:11:28.684 --> 01:11:30.953 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
with people who
really know, know,

01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:34.390 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
have the subject matter
expertise and you to

01:11:34.456 --> 01:11:36.091 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
an extent depending
on if you're a

01:11:36.158 --> 01:11:38.427 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
generalist or a specialist.

01:11:38.494 --> 01:11:42.564 align:center line:79% position:50% size:38%
But I would say
sort of the,

01:11:42.631 --> 01:11:45.934 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
the day-to-day
depends on your role,

01:11:46.001 --> 01:11:50.472 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
but is really about sort
of those those tangible

01:11:50.539 --> 01:11:56.278 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
actions either moving you
know people in terms of,

01:11:56.345 --> 01:12:00.816 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
you know travel or housing
or their stuff with

01:12:00.883 --> 01:12:04.186 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
shipping and property and
like how to pay for it,

01:12:04.253 --> 01:12:08.123 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
financial management,
taking care of the people

01:12:08.190 --> 01:12:11.627 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
in terms of Community
Liaison Office.

01:12:11.694 --> 01:12:17.566 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And then I would say in
terms of the skills,

01:12:17.633 --> 01:12:20.803 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
common sense, I'm not
going to underest,

01:12:20.869 --> 01:12:25.040 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
you know under undervalue
that because I think it's,

01:12:25.107 --> 01:12:26.709 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
the value of that is
underestimated a lot of

01:12:26.775 --> 01:12:31.647 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
times and I think that
Management Officers just

01:12:31.714 --> 01:12:33.816 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
by virtue of having
to get work done,

01:12:33.882 --> 01:12:37.219 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
a lot of Management
Officers have that

01:12:37.286 --> 01:12:40.656 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
common sense, or at least
the effective ones.

01:12:40.723 --> 01:12:43.926 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And tied to that is
just people skills.

01:12:43.992 --> 01:12:47.663 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
You know, being humble,
having emotional

01:12:47.730 --> 01:12:51.400 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
intelligence, because
you are, you are

01:12:51.467 --> 01:12:54.403 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
working cross culturally

01:12:54.470 --> 01:12:59.108 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
in ways to get work done
that is unique that

01:12:59.174 --> 01:13:01.910 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
maybe some other you know
officers are not doing.

01:13:01.977 --> 01:13:08.617 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
So, you know communicating
with warehouse staff

01:13:08.684 --> 01:13:12.087 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
on you know where an
essential piece of

01:13:12.154 --> 01:13:14.590 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
equipment or property
might be like,

01:13:14.656 --> 01:13:16.692 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
that's you're going to
have to know how to work

01:13:16.759 --> 01:13:21.497 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
with actually all levels
from kind of the,

01:13:21.563 --> 01:13:24.333 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the lowest graded level to
the highest graded level.

01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:26.168 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
And that range
is very large.

01:13:26.235 --> 01:13:28.303 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And so, you're gonna have
to have people skills,

01:13:28.370 --> 01:13:29.371 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
I would say for that.

01:13:31.273 --> 01:13:32.908 align:center line:85% position:50% size:70%
MR. HERREN: All right, Clay?

01:13:35.277 --> 01:13:37.112 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
MR. ALLEN: I would say
when it comes to the

01:13:37.179 --> 01:13:40.449 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
average day, I always say
I plan out what I wanna do

01:13:40.516 --> 01:13:42.651 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
and then I go to work
and it gets messed up

01:13:42.718 --> 01:13:44.720 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
and I never get to
do what I wanna do

01:13:44.787 --> 01:13:47.422 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
because you're constantly
solving problems and,

01:13:47.489 --> 01:13:50.259 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
and people you know lining
up at your door to

01:13:50.325 --> 01:13:52.361 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
that you can give their
problem attention.

01:13:52.427 --> 01:13:55.964 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
But you know, by and large,
you are you know deciding

01:13:56.031 --> 01:13:57.633 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
and, and trying to move
forward on different

01:13:57.699 --> 01:14:00.836 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
reports that you got to
get done and, and things

01:14:00.903 --> 01:14:03.238 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
that Washington may
be asking for, the things

01:14:03.305 --> 01:14:05.240 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
the front office
may be be asking for,

01:14:05.307 --> 01:14:08.410 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
and then just trying
to constantly

01:14:08.477 --> 01:14:11.246 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
either solve
problems or puzzles.

01:14:11.313 --> 01:14:14.049 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I mean that's, that's
what you're doing.

01:14:14.116 --> 01:14:18.120 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
In terms of the, the
type of skill sets that

01:14:18.187 --> 01:14:20.389 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
you need to have,
I think that the,

01:14:20.455 --> 01:14:23.091 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
the most important is that
you've got to be willing

01:14:23.158 --> 01:14:24.293 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
to care about people.

01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.597 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
And I think a lot of
the times people get

01:14:28.664 --> 01:14:30.265 align:center line:85% position:50% size:80%
kind of lost in all that you're,

01:14:30.332 --> 01:14:32.868 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
all of these things
that you have to do.

01:14:32.935 --> 01:14:35.170 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
Sometimes the, the
personal side of it

01:14:35.237 --> 01:14:38.173 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
becomes the, the less
important and that's

01:14:38.240 --> 01:14:39.775 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
really the mistake
is in making

01:14:39.842 --> 01:14:43.045 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
sure that you are allowing

01:14:43.111 --> 01:14:45.614 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
people to vent because
a lot of times

01:14:45.681 --> 01:14:47.649 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I find myself as the camp
counselor, you know,

01:14:47.716 --> 01:14:49.184 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
people want to come in and
they want to vent about

01:14:49.251 --> 01:14:51.486 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
everything else and,
and you realize, okay,

01:14:51.553 --> 01:14:52.955 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
the thing that they're
coming in to complain

01:14:53.021 --> 01:14:54.623 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
about is not really
what's going on.

01:14:54.690 --> 01:14:57.059 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
They're, they, you know,
they may be having issues,

01:14:57.125 --> 01:14:59.528 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know, getting settled
in the country or they,

01:14:59.595 --> 01:15:01.296 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
you know, there's a whole
bunch of host of issues

01:15:01.363 --> 01:15:02.297 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
that could be happening.

01:15:02.364 --> 01:15:04.933 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
But allowing them space
to be able to do that.

01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:08.270 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
Secondly is, is not taking
things personal when,

01:15:08.337 --> 01:15:09.571 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
when they're attacking
something that

01:15:09.638 --> 01:15:11.240 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
you may have been
providing for them.

01:15:11.306 --> 01:15:14.009 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
And that's, that's
the, you know,

01:15:14.076 --> 01:15:15.244 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
especially when it
comes to housing.

01:15:15.310 --> 01:15:16.545 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
If somebody's coming in
and complaining about

01:15:16.612 --> 01:15:19.248 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
their housing, I what I've
really learned is to be

01:15:19.314 --> 01:15:21.416 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
able to step back and look
at that as a separate

01:15:21.483 --> 01:15:23.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
problem that I had
nothing to do with.

01:15:23.151 --> 01:15:24.353 align:center line:79% position:50% size:35%
But how can I
help solve it?

01:15:24.419 --> 01:15:27.756 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And so, being able to do
those types of things

01:15:27.823 --> 01:15:30.692 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
but the, the ability
to connect

01:15:30.759 --> 01:15:36.431 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
and to help people be
heard and to know that

01:15:36.498 --> 01:15:38.600 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
somebody actually cares
about what happens to them

01:15:38.667 --> 01:15:40.435 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
and what's, what's
going on for them,

01:15:40.502 --> 01:15:41.937 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
I think is a
huge, huge thing.

01:15:42.004 --> 01:15:46.708 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
And sometimes, you know,
there's so many, you know,

01:15:46.775 --> 01:15:49.945 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
so many issues that are
being you know, you know,

01:15:50.012 --> 01:15:51.880 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
people are throwing bombs
at you left and right.

01:15:51.947 --> 01:15:53.649 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And sometimes people
can get into the bunker

01:15:53.715 --> 01:15:54.950 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
mentality where they
shut the door and

01:15:55.017 --> 01:15:56.952 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
they just don't want
to talk to people.

01:15:57.019 --> 01:15:59.021 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
And you know, I
always try to keep my

01:15:59.087 --> 01:16:01.290 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
door wide open and deal.

01:16:01.356 --> 01:16:04.826 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
Take everything head on
and let them, like I say,

01:16:04.893 --> 01:16:07.296 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
let them have the space to
deal with whatever prop,

01:16:07.362 --> 01:16:08.563 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
you know, problems
that they've had.

01:16:08.630 --> 01:16:10.332 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
And a lot of times,
that'll turn into a

01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:11.667 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
closed door
conversation about

01:16:11.733 --> 01:16:13.235 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
let me tell you what's
really going on.

01:16:13.302 --> 01:16:16.571 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And a lot of times, we
can help direct them to

01:16:16.638 --> 01:16:18.540 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
the proper counseling
or whatever the case may

01:16:18.607 --> 01:16:20.575 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
be when it comes to
those types of things.

01:16:20.642 --> 01:16:23.278 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
But caring about
people, I think is the

01:16:23.345 --> 01:16:26.581 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
quintessential element
that you got to have to

01:16:26.648 --> 01:16:30.085 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
be a really effective
Management Officer

01:16:30.152 --> 01:16:32.754 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
and then the ability to
actually follow through

01:16:32.821 --> 01:16:34.656 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
and solve the problems
that need to be solved.

01:16:36.291 --> 01:16:37.960 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
MR. HERREN: All right,
thanks for that.

01:16:38.026 --> 01:16:43.398 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
I'm going to jump in with
my own take on this one.

01:16:43.465 --> 01:16:45.467 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
When people ask about
the day in the life of

01:16:45.534 --> 01:16:47.869 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
a management career
tracked officer,

01:16:47.936 --> 01:16:51.440 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
the, the challenge with
answering that is

01:16:51.506 --> 01:16:54.276 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
we could be in a
multitude of roles.

01:16:54.343 --> 01:16:57.646 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
So, there's a diversity
of roles that we take on.

01:16:57.713 --> 01:17:00.882 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
And so, the day in
the life of the

01:17:00.949 --> 01:17:04.786 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
General Service officer
will not be akin to the day

01:17:04.853 --> 01:17:07.723 align:center line:79% position:50% size:70%
in the life of the financial
management officer

01:17:07.789 --> 01:17:09.992 align:center line:85% position:50% size:45%
or the HR officer.

01:17:10.058 --> 01:17:14.529 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
And so, it is problematic
because within the

01:17:14.596 --> 01:17:16.932 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
political or ECON cones,
it's much easier

01:17:16.999 --> 01:17:20.969 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
to define what a day in
the life looks like.

01:17:21.036 --> 01:17:23.572 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Now, the things that are
consistent across those

01:17:23.638 --> 01:17:27.776 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
is how you apply the
skills that you learn

01:17:27.843 --> 01:17:29.644 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
throughout your career.

01:17:29.711 --> 01:17:33.248 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
You're going, you have
to be a good listener.

01:17:33.315 --> 01:17:35.650 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
You have to be
able to articulate

01:17:35.717 --> 01:17:37.285 align:center line:85% position:50% size:48%
your thoughts well.

01:17:37.352 --> 01:17:39.688 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And you have to be able
to find ways to solve

01:17:39.755 --> 01:17:43.191 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
problems, and that's
a lot of what we do.

01:17:43.258 --> 01:17:48.597 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
It is ambiguous at best
because you, as Clay said,

01:17:48.663 --> 01:17:51.767 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
you may start with a
beautiful plan for the day.

01:17:51.833 --> 01:17:55.804 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
But if the ambassador has
an issue or we've gotten

01:17:55.871 --> 01:17:58.273 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
word from Washington that
we need to shift our focus

01:17:58.340 --> 01:18:01.209 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
in another direction, all
that goes out the window

01:18:01.276 --> 01:18:03.078 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
and you do the tasks
that are needed.

01:18:03.145 --> 01:18:06.248 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And now, as far as the
skill that I think is

01:18:06.314 --> 01:18:08.050 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
most important, what I
heard from all three

01:18:08.116 --> 01:18:10.619 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
of my colleagues is,
is the truth.

01:18:10.685 --> 01:18:12.387 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
I think empathy is
probably the best way

01:18:12.454 --> 01:18:13.955 align:center line:85% position:50% size:40%
to summarize it.

01:18:14.022 --> 01:18:15.891 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
You have to be able
to empathize with

01:18:15.957 --> 01:18:17.893 align:center line:79% position:50% size:43%
the customer base
that you have.

01:18:17.959 --> 01:18:21.229 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And the reality is
where most of our other

01:18:21.296 --> 01:18:24.900 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
colleagues have a customer
base that's outside

01:18:24.966 --> 01:18:29.171 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
of the mission, ours is
predominantly internal

01:18:29.237 --> 01:18:31.573 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
and we spend a great
deal of time trying

01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:34.776 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
to ensure that we're
meeting the needs of

01:18:34.843 --> 01:18:36.845 align:center line:85% position:50% size:68%
our mission and our people.

01:18:36.912 --> 01:18:39.848 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
And to do that, we
often have to find

01:18:39.915 --> 01:18:42.084 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
what's behind the ask.

01:18:42.150 --> 01:18:45.821 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Too often the question
comes up and you're like

01:18:45.887 --> 01:18:48.590 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
your staff will say, sir,
the ambassador asked us

01:18:48.657 --> 01:18:50.092 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
to do this and it's
against the law.

01:18:50.158 --> 01:18:51.893 align:center line:85% position:50% size:43%
We can't do that.

01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.262 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Well, that's when I
get to go in and have

01:18:54.329 --> 01:18:56.264 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
a conversation with the
ambassador and find out

01:18:56.331 --> 01:19:00.102 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
what he really needs
because he thinks that

01:19:00.168 --> 01:19:01.870 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
he may have asked or
she thinks that she

01:19:01.937 --> 01:19:05.407 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
may have asked for a
very specific thing,

01:19:05.474 --> 01:19:08.477 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
being innocent enough, not
realizing that that was

01:19:08.543 --> 01:19:11.046 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
not possible, but it
also wasn't what they

01:19:11.113 --> 01:19:12.347 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
really wanted to achieve.

01:19:12.414 --> 01:19:16.384 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And so, we have to be
able to absorb all that

01:19:16.451 --> 01:19:19.321 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
information and go and
talk with them and truly

01:19:19.387 --> 01:19:21.456 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
find out what it is
they're looking for.

01:19:21.523 --> 01:19:23.959 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
It's a great challenge
and it makes

01:19:24.025 --> 01:19:26.027 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
the day interesting.

01:19:26.094 --> 01:19:28.530 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
You go home at the end
of the day and you,

01:19:28.597 --> 01:19:32.234 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
you have an eight hour day
on almost all the time.

01:19:32.300 --> 01:19:38.106 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
We're not working long,
long hours and we are

01:19:38.173 --> 01:19:40.775 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
satisfied because of that.

01:19:40.842 --> 01:19:43.411 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, that's my take
on that element of it.

01:19:43.478 --> 01:19:45.480 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Now, there is a
question that came up

01:19:45.547 --> 01:19:48.917 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
that's specific to Clay.

01:19:48.984 --> 01:19:51.653 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
Is Haiti on departure
status right now?

01:19:52.954 --> 01:19:56.191 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
MR. ALLEN: No, we were on
authorized departure from

01:19:56.258 --> 01:19:58.226 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
November through December.

01:19:58.293 --> 01:19:59.561 align:center line:79% position:50% size:40%
MR. HERREN: Can
you explain what

01:19:59.628 --> 01:20:00.862 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
authorized departure is?

01:20:00.929 --> 01:20:03.899 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
MR. ALLEN: Yeah, so
authorized departure is

01:20:03.965 --> 01:20:08.136 align:center line:79% position:50% size:65%
when the situation becomes
such that people are now

01:20:08.203 --> 01:20:10.105 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
feeling uncomfortable
about being there,

01:20:10.172 --> 01:20:12.707 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
and we are worried about
being able to support them.

01:20:12.774 --> 01:20:15.243 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
The decision is made at
the Washington level

01:20:15.310 --> 01:20:17.445 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
to allow anyone who
would like to depart

01:20:17.512 --> 01:20:19.014 align:center line:85% position:50% size:50%
post to depart post.

01:20:19.080 --> 01:20:21.583 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
And generally, what we
try to do is encourage

01:20:21.650 --> 01:20:23.952 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
as many of many people as
we can to depart post,

01:20:24.019 --> 01:20:26.288 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
which makes our burden
a little less when

01:20:26.354 --> 01:20:27.889 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
we're dealing with
a with a crisis.

01:20:27.956 --> 01:20:31.393 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
MR. HERREN: Okay, but
you're not unaccompanied

01:20:31.459 --> 01:20:33.662 align:center line:85% position:50% size:53%
in any way right now.

01:20:33.728 --> 01:20:35.564 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
MR. ALLEN: We are,
we are adults only.

01:20:35.630 --> 01:20:39.701 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, you can, a spouse
can come and not have a

01:20:39.768 --> 01:20:42.137 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
have a job or, or take
a job either way.

01:20:42.204 --> 01:20:44.072 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And right now, we wish
more spouses would come

01:20:44.139 --> 01:20:47.042 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
because we've got jobs
that we can't get full.

01:20:47.108 --> 01:20:49.711 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
MR. ALLEN: Okay, so, I'm
going to go through the,

01:20:49.778 --> 01:20:51.947 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
the three panelists one
last time and ask if they

01:20:52.013 --> 01:20:54.416 align:center line:85% position:50% size:63%
got any parting thoughts.

01:20:54.482 --> 01:20:56.218 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
Katelyn, do you want
to go first or last?

01:20:56.284 --> 01:21:00.255 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
MS. CHOE: I'll go just
to say thank you for

01:21:00.322 --> 01:21:01.890 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
staying with us and
for your interest.

01:21:01.957 --> 01:21:04.259 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And if I could just ask
my colleagues to put it

01:21:04.326 --> 01:21:07.395 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
into the chat ways that
you can continue this

01:21:07.462 --> 01:21:09.264 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
conversation with
Diplomat in Residence.

01:21:09.331 --> 01:21:12.934 align:center line:79% position:50% size:68%
There's 17 of us across the
U.S. based on our region.

01:21:13.001 --> 01:21:15.570 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
And so, please do reach
out to us for follow up.

01:21:15.637 --> 01:21:18.240 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
We'd love to have a
conversation and continue

01:21:18.306 --> 01:21:19.241 align:center line:85% position:50% size:55%
conversation with you.

01:21:19.307 --> 01:21:20.609 align:center line:85% position:50% size:25%
Thank you.

01:21:20.675 --> 01:21:22.277 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
MR. HERREN: Great,
thank you.

01:21:22.344 --> 01:21:24.279 align:center line:85% position:50% size:18%
Hannah.

01:21:24.346 --> 01:21:26.281 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
MS. SIN: No, I just want
to say thank you, Denver

01:21:26.348 --> 01:21:29.951 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
and to my colleagues for
a really great session

01:21:30.018 --> 01:21:33.488 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
and to everyone who
came just to learn,

01:21:33.555 --> 01:21:37.025 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I just again, you don't
lose anything by trying.

01:21:37.092 --> 01:21:39.227 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
So, if you're thinking
about it as a career

01:21:39.294 --> 01:21:43.965 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
or even just as
something to try out,

01:21:44.032 --> 01:21:46.001 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I just definitely
encourage you to do so.

01:21:46.067 --> 01:21:47.769 align:center line:85% position:50% size:25%
Thank you.

01:21:47.836 --> 01:21:49.237 align:center line:85% position:50% size:60%
MR. HERREN: Great. Clay?

01:21:49.304 --> 01:21:51.306 align:center line:85% position:50% size:33%
Parting shot.

01:21:51.373 --> 01:21:53.975 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
MR. ALLEN: Yeah, I would
just say that I have

01:21:54.042 --> 01:21:56.978 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
absolutely loved being in
the Foreign Service and

01:21:57.045 --> 01:22:00.415 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
the opportunities that's
provided me in a whole

01:22:00.482 --> 01:22:03.018 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
host of different ways.

01:22:03.084 --> 01:22:05.887 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
And if it's at all what
you're thinking about,

01:22:05.954 --> 01:22:08.757 align:center line:79% position:50% size:50%
it's even what, even
how you envision it,

01:22:08.823 --> 01:22:10.925 align:center line:79% position:50% size:53%
it's better than that
in a lot of ways.

01:22:10.992 --> 01:22:14.162 align:center line:79% position:50% size:63%
So, I would say you know,
continue to pursue it and

01:22:14.229 --> 01:22:16.364 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
I think that, you know,
it's one of those things

01:22:16.431 --> 01:22:18.933 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
where you know as it's
been said many times

01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:20.435 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
in the Foreign Service,
we get to serve on the

01:22:20.502 --> 01:22:23.371 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
front lines of history
and being able to be

01:22:23.438 --> 01:22:27.676 align:center line:79% position:50% size:55%
some place and be part
of that process when,

01:22:27.742 --> 01:22:30.779 align:center line:79% position:50% size:48%
when big things are
happening is really

01:22:30.845 --> 01:22:32.347 align:center line:85% position:50% size:58%
a rewarding experience.

01:22:33.615 --> 01:22:35.016 align:center line:79% position:50% size:45%
MR. HERREN: Great,
thank you.

01:22:35.083 --> 01:22:37.919 align:center line:79% position:50% size:60%
Well, I, for those who
have made it to the end,

01:22:37.986 --> 01:22:40.789 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
we certainly appreciate
you staying and I've

01:22:40.855 --> 01:22:42.691 align:center line:85% position:50% size:65%
enjoyed all the questions.

01:22:42.757 --> 01:22:45.226 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
I've actually learned a
lot from the panelists.

01:22:45.293 --> 01:22:48.797 align:center line:79% position:50% size:58%
So, that's, that's
helpful for me as well.

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If you're interested in
the Foreign Service at all,

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on May 2nd, we're
going to have a

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Foreign Service Officer
Test Zoom that where

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we'll talk about the
test and the process.

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It's really good
information that will be

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beneficial to you if
you're looking at this

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career track seriously.

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We weren't kidding when
we started and we said

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that management's
the best cone.

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There is a rivalry
amongst all of the

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cones and career tracks.

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We're not going
to lie about that.

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But the reality is we have
respect for each other.

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We understand that
each of us have their

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own duties and our own
responsibilities.

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And from that, we do
as much as we can.

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Thank you all.

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We certainly appreciate
your time and good night.

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MS. CHOE: Big shout out to
you Madison and Jordan for

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capturing the emotions of
how much we love our job.

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I was just captivated
watching you.

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Thank you so much for
both of, to both of you.

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MR. HERREN: Oh,
absolutely.

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MS. CHOE: [LAUGHTER]